Wednesday, April 23, 2008

William Shatner Hints He's Been Told Something About Mars


During a recent free wheeling interview with TrekMovie.com, actor William Shatner (Captain James T. Kirk of the original Star Trek series) hinted that he's been told "something" about Mars. Responding to a question about whether he believes that there is life on other planets, Shatner said:

"I will let you in on a little secret, that I have been told not to reveal. So I wont reveal who told me, but there is going to be new information about Mars. It wont be too long away."

Presumably, Shatner was told by someone inside NASA. As to exactly what he was told, it also presumably has something to do with life on the Red Planet, since that is the context of the question he was responding to.

Perhaps Dr. Gil Levin will get long overdue credit for the positive results of 1976 Labeled Release Experiment.

A link to the interview is here.

28 comments:

Paul Robinson said...

Hey Mike!

You know that someone like Shatner can't have done what he's done for a living and not made 'connections'.

Also, since organics have been found all over the place, the next step would seem to be microscopic life.

I'm not sure how it would be considered big news if the Phoenix lander found only organics on Mars when it's practically old news, already.

Mike Bara said...

Yes, microorganisms are the first baby step, even if it comes 32 years too late.

And yeah, guys like Shatner talk with NASA guys all the time at various dinners and such.

marsandro said...

Well! So they're finally going to have to
admit to the presence of the little fuzzies?

I better get incorporated so I can get my
Green Pets From Mars franchises up and
running!

:-))

P.S.: Somebody notify Keith Laney!!!

:-))))

HHMSS Sword said...

I still say that ANY DNA from ANYTHING (Alive or dead/mummified) on Mars will be a Grails worth of knowledge.

Consider the far reaching implications of tracking even micro-organisms?

Are not things like the Flu - or the common cold - pantheons - and therefore adapted to there hosts? If there was a face on Mars - and we are descendants there of - I don't want to catch the "Martian Flu" - or - Martian Ebola - or - I could go on for days...

Anyone else catch my drift?
Sword

T'Zairis said...

Yes! I read the interview several days ago, and I was really hoping that he might be a bit more forthcoming. I know that Mr. S. also gave an interview to someone several years ago to the effect that while he was out motorcycling someplace in the desert, he actually saw/was 'buzzed' by a UFO. I also remember that the tone of the article was on the dismissive side, so maybe he figured it was better to keep mum if he wanted to continue to obtain acting jobs...

As far as other 'secrets' go, I know that TEM/Dark Mission has looked at a lot of Auset/Ausar (Isis/Osiris) lore, but how much digging has been done with regard to Sekhmet? Anything upcoming in Dark Mission Parts 2 and 3?

I ask this because I have gotten stuck back into Egyptian hieroglyphics and stuff about Sekhmet, thanks to helping school kids at the library with reference materials for reports on Pharaonic Egypt. I also quite like the archetype, actually, as well as Egyptian art-- I always thought it looked very alien (as in skypeople-type alien, not we're-from-another-culture-on-earth alien). Anyway, to cut to the chase, I ran across something the other day with regard to Sekhmet that I had not seen before, which is...

That Alex Sanders (the founder of the Alexandrian Wiccan tradition) did a lot of channeling work, some of which was taped and kept for posterity. One such session was taped on Oct. 5, 1986, and was a 'communication' from Sekhmet. In it, She styles Herself the 'Queen of Mars', which I thought was very interesting/suggestive. The transcript is rather short, so here it is:

"I am the Queen of Mars. It is I who calls the War Lord Set to me. It is He who fertilises me with Fire. I come to you as a Volcano, in a complete and powerful eruption. My molten metals are whiter than snow, golder than the locks of the most beautiful women of your Earth.

I am the Medusa, the Gorgon; whoso comes within my grip is turned to stone, yet I and my Lord can free that. It is I who comes to you with flaming hair. I it is who gives birth to the Child of Fire. I it is who tends the Fire of my Perfect Love. The Torch of Life is mine. I am the Creator Mother. I come to you as the Flame of Life. I am Sekhmet.

I come to purify, to purge. All the healing forces are mine. The heat of your hands comes from me to heal. The heat that flows perfectly to purge and purify away the cancers and evil growths of your world.

My consort answers unto me and feeds me with the power of Mars yet I come from beyond. It is I who softens the blow of his sword and makes it to be a healing force, to cut away the evil. You are blessed from the power of Mars. I shall come to you many times. We shall bring our cohorts, our dominions, our powers, our principalities. There are many in your world - your tiny minuscule place of existence - who would make our powers to be evil, who would preach and practice unclean (things). We come to you with a pure and perfect truth. Receive the life force, the force that flows through your body. Receive the warmth of the liquids that flow through your body. Receive the breath that cannot live without Fire. Receive the Earth's warmth from my Lord - the blazing orb of Mars, reflected to you by the Sun. Establish yourself upon Earth. Receive the Fire! Your world has the Pentecostal Force. Our world I have given to you as a gift of Earth, Air, Fire and Water. Receive our two spirits fused into a Flame. We leave you."

I would agree with those who think the bulk of it is a kind of mish-mash of Sanders' own spiritual tastes, but the 'Ancient Goddess From A Distant Place' thread is also echoed by Robert Masters (Psychologist/hypnotist husband of Jean Houston) who wrote a kind of 'devotional book' to the Goddess, inspired by both his own personal spiritual experiences and some messages from Sekhmet that sometimes 'spontaneously erupted' from people he had placed under hypnosis.

There are also some Egyptologists (but definitely not all of them) who think that 1.) Sekhmet is extremely ancient, and 2.) She was steadily-- and sometimes baldly-- demoted over time to Ra's eye and Ptah's helpmeet from Her original position as the Sole Creatrix of All That Is (as several of Her still-extant sacred titles clearly make Her out to be).

Call me a terrible astro-romantic, but I like to think that maybe we knew Her in Her completeness on Mars in another time. Personally, I've always had a 'Mars vibe' about ancient Egypt in general, and while that isn't scientific in and of itself, it gives me 'synchrony-hives' when I start finding out that Alex Sanders channeled Sekhmet as the 'Queen of Mars'.

How did he know? And, why Mars, particularly? Personally, I don't buy the usual Demoted-To-A-War-Goddess-Sekhmet= Mars-God-Of-War, 'its all just esoteric symbolism that means nothing' glibness...

Is it Rupert Sheldrake's morphic field resonance in action? Did Sanders know someone who knew 'something of esoteric interest'? Was he 'microwaved' by intelligence assets (as has been alleged of some New Age groups/channels)? Was he just spinning tales?

Anyway, it would be kinda fun to see Sekhmet pop up out of the 'Catbox'...

Peace, T'Zairis

Gort said...

T'Zairis,
In your studies about Sekhmet, have you seen any indication that she is associated with the constellation Virgo, the constellation Leo, Both Virgo and Leo, or None of the Above?

As above so below. make it so. Aho. :)

Gort

T'Zairis said...

Gort, there is all kinds of stuff posted all over the Internet to the effect that Sekhmet is 'the body of Virgo with the head of Leo', but that is just all crap. The problem is twofold-- that particular view is 1) 20th/21st Century New Age, and 2) it is based on modern 'Western astrology' which is seriously messed-up: it does not correspond to the Egyptian zodiac for starters, and thanks to precession, it is today 'out of position' by almost an entire zodiac sign. As if that wasn't enough, the Egyptians also assigned much different element-values to the signs, so unless one goes back to what the Egyptian thinking was, trying to match stuff to the zodiac is pointless.

The heavenly body that Sekhmet is constantly associated with in ancient Egypt is the sun, and specifically, the heat/fire/power (coronal plasma) of that body. Her very name is a feminine-gender inflected (the -t ending on Her name) form of the word Skhm, which means 'power' or 'force'. She is also tied closely to the Uraeus-cobra-- in this aspect She spits fire/lightning. (It is worth noting that the Egyptian fire-spitting Uraeus is a 'kissin' cousin' to the old Semitic seraphim, which were originally conceived of as heavenly lightning/fire-serpents.)

She is also associated with the acacia tree-- one of Her titles is roughly rendered as 'Mistress Cobra Who Opens The Acacia Tree'. Egyptologists don't exactly know what the title refers to, and they guess that it means something like 'makes the acacia bloom'. Given Her basic raw power and Her fire associations, I think this is feeble. My own guess-- and it is just a guess-- is that the title means that She splits, or emerges from the acacia tree, probably as lightning/electrical discharge. Remember that the Ark of the Covenant was an Egyptian-tech rip-off, and it was made of... acacia wood.

Sekhmet also belongs to a rather select group of Middle Eastern Goddesses who are associated with lions, and who have a story-cycle which includes them going off the rails at one point, spitting fire all over the place, killing huge numbers of people, and eventually being pacified. Sekhmet's pacification was a HUGE festival among the Egyptians, and was scrupulously observed. 'Porches of Drunkenness' have been found attached to temples, which is where celebrants got blotto on pomegranate-juice-reddened beer in a reenactment of the 'Calming of Sekhmet'. There are also extant murals of both the celebration itself and its after-effects, complete with hung-over and vomiting priestesses.

What I am trying to get at here is that the ancient Egyptians did not think like 21st-century neo-Pagans. Modern high priestesses have also not had to suffer through catastrophic coronal-discharge events (among other things) when the HD physics goes haywire, so they look at Sekhmet as some sort of 'symbolic archetype of personal anger and/or empowerment' and not as an actual Force capable of sizzling a planetary population like shrimps on the barbie.

Personally, I think that 'Sekhmet' might just be a very, very, very archaic proper name for our sun-- the 'Powerful Female One'-- Who mothers life everywhere in Her star-system, even on Mars...

If you want to relate something to the constellation of Leo-- the Lion of the Horizon-- try the Sphinx and its associated forms, like the twin aker-lions. There are several speculative authors who have gone over this ground pretty well, and they make a good case for the Great Sphinx dating back to a much older time than Dynastic Egypt. Around 10,000 years ago, the constellation of Leo sat on the dawn horizon of the Giza Plateau in the same paws-outstretched position as the Sphinx, and it is not a stretch to think that there might be some relation between the stars in the sky and the monument on the ground.

Peace,
T'zairis

Adrian said...

to t'zairis

Well, maybe a studygroup on (very) ancient Egypt is in order :-)

Interesting topic to bring in Sekhmet "the powerful" and in the early days the "Eye of Ra" etc etc.

In those early days Sekhmet was a form of Hathor and from there it becomes interesting (for further study and I'm not going to summ up all the known legend's concerning how she (Sekhmet) is/was the wife of Ptah and therefore one of the first godesses)

What's interesting to mention here is the meaning of the name Hathor (of which Sekhmet is an early form)in her own language :-)

namely Ht.Her or Het.Heru "the House of Heru" where Heru is Horus, Son of Ast and Asar, Isis and Osiris

So...this Alex Sanders guy "knows" a lot of ancient Egyptian Gods & Godesses :-/ (given the Wicca lead:-)or if not...the channel might contain some nifty stuff for he quotes all the known qualities of Hathor in the form of Sekhmet, albeit in a flowerly modern way

marsandro said...

Wait a minute!!!!!

I thought Hathor was a stunning redhead and
queen of the Go'a'uld!

Oh---sorry---too much TV. ;-))

Aw, shucks---and I was wanting to take her to
the Lost In The Fifties dance, and teach her
and her Jaf'fa the Stroll!

Welllll---I thought she'd look *cute* in tight
jeans and saddle shoes!

:-)

P.S.: Hey! Shatner's a Hollywood guy!

T'Zairis said...

Adrian, the association of Sekhmet with Hathor came much later in the course of Egyptian civilization than the origin of either Goddess. Ditto Sekhmet as the 'Eye of Ra', helpmeet of Ptah, etc.

If one looks at early scraps of myth surrounding both Goddesses, their eyes are described as the sun-disc (right eye) and the moon-disc (left eye). This is because Hathor is your basic Sky-Goddess, while Sekhmet is the Force which powers all creation, including our sun and light-reflecting moon, through which Her power 'looks' at the earth (i.e. influences the energy-system).

If one digs deeply into the mythology of Hathor, one also finds out that Her son was not originally called 'Ra'. His name was Ihy (meaning 'jubilation' or 'joyousness'), and while He was at times associated with the falcon who flew through the wide spaces of his Mother's big turquoise house, mostly He was a sprightly boy with a child's side-lock of hair and the soul of youth, whose energy was supposed to rejuvenate the Pharaoh during the Heb-Sed festival (which makes me personally wonder about the possibility of ancient Priore-type healing devices, like the sort of thing that Tom Bearden discusses on his website).

What must be remembered about Egypt is that its civilization existed long enough for it to garble its own very early history. Ra, the warrior with the Sekhmet-Eye and the ruler of the House of Turquoise is an upstart part of that forgetting.

Peace,
T'Zairis

Gort said...

t'zairis,

Thanks for the informative reply to my question about Sekhmet.

Since, as you say, the modern zodiac signs are different than the ancient Egyptian, etc. I was also wundering about the stars mentioned in the Dark Mission book chapter dealing with the ritual star alignments, namely:
Sirius, Regulus, and the three belt stars of Orion.

Is the cosmology presented in that chapter more a later ancient Egyptian construct or are there earlier ancient Egyptian refences to those stars (not necessarily constellations)

And secondly, I am also wundering if you have come across any ancient Egyptian cosmology for the stars we call Spica (alpha Virginis) and Ankaa (alpha Phoenicis)?

I realize this is drifting a bit off topic from Shatner and Mars, but it's mainly about the Dark Mission book and also Shatner is a star (groan) :)

Thanks again,
Gort

Adrian said...

""Adrian, the association of Sekhmet with Hathor came much later in the course of Egyptian civilization than the origin of either Goddess. Ditto Sekhmet as the 'Eye of Ra', helpmeet of Ptah, etc.""

and

""This is because Hathor is your basic Sky-Goddess, while Sekhmet is the Force which powers all creation, including our sun and light-reflecting moon, through which Her power 'looks' at the earth (i.e. influences the energy-system)""


t'zairis....Really?!? I don't think so..but first..I did not mention that Ra was Hathor's son..so I can't really fathom the reason why you suggest I did..

and second :-) are you worshipping Sekhmet or something???? When you mention "....Hathor is your basic sky-goddess..." to top it with glorification of Sekhmet...

I wonder why???

I will take the liberty to suggest some "actual" reading of scientifically translated hieroglyphic text's (or, when your able, do it yourself) on the subject because stating, as you do, that "Hathor is your basic sky-goddess" is almost the same as saying Osiris and Isis are your basic mum and dad.

So please t'zairis I have but a simple request..please give reference to hieroglyphhic text's where we can find all that you mention about Sekhmet for I have a keen interest and open mind on the subject.

expat said...

>>I was also wundering [sic] about the stars mentioned in the Dark Mission book chapter dealing with the ritual star alignments..<<

Yes, so was I. I was wondering whether the Hoagland/Bara cosmology allowed itself to be restricted in any way when declaring that star elevations are "ritualistic and deeply significant"?

At various times Hoagland has invited us to be astonished by the amazingly significant elevations of Sirius, Regulus, Alnilam, Alnitak, Encke... The "significant" elevations are either 0°, 19.5° or 33°.

What exactly are the rules of this game? Are there any? Or can Hoagland and Bara search their starmap software and find anything they like?

Mike Bara said...

More proof that you haven't even read the book before you came in here attacking it.

Carol Maltby said...

I had a lot of interesting Hathor synchronicities when I first became interested in the cydonia region 10 years ago.

But when I read "golder than the locks of the most beautiful women of your Earth," the red flags go up.

Why do so many 20th century channelled beings
and aliens use that goofy "of your ____" locution? It's as if they all learned the same non-colloquial English quirks from a copy of Channelling to Earthlings for Dummies.

If we were on Mars talking to Martians, we wouldn't say "the mountains of your Mars." Or if we were in Europe, we wouldn't refer to a distance being "two of your kilometers" now, would we?

T'Zairis said...

Gort, the stars you mentioned are indeed important in ancient Egyptian religion.

Sirius/Sothis is Auset (Isis) as a star, and was also sometimes called Auset's Teardrop, as it was used to mark the annual flooding of the Nile for quite awhile. (In the Auset/Ausar myth-cycle, the Nile went into flood because of the copious tears that Auset wept for the dead Ausar.)

Regulus is the Heart of the Lion, and in Egyptian understanding, the heart was the main seat of consciousness and mind in the body, hence all those Pyramid Text references to the Judging of the Heart (and not the brain). In the mummification of the dead, the heart was carefully preserved, while the brain was extracted in bits via a hole rammed through the sinus and then discarded. Regulus, being the Heart of the Celestial Lion, was definitely important. The old Egyptian reverence for the star was carried into later Arabic astrology-- just Google the terms 'Behenian stars' or 'Fixed-Star astrology', and you'll get a bunch of interesting stuff. Medieval Alchemists (especially the Arab-influenced ones) invoked certain stars as the Guardians of the Quarters, and Regulus was considered the 'King and Heavenly Regulator' of all the other stars. It's the old 'as above, so below' adage in action-- the Heart of the Lion ruled the heavens and kept the sky in order the same way that the Pharaoh as 'earthly Lion' kept Egypt running smoothly.

The Giza pyramid arrangement which mirrors the positions of Alnitak, Alnilam and Mintaka has been dealt with at length in several books by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, so I won't go into that here. They also cover the possible/probable correlation between the building of the Great Sphinx (which probably originally had an actual lion's head, not a re-carved, too-small pharaoh's face) and the position that the constellation of Leo assumed in the dawn sky of Egypt about 10,000 years ago.

Personally, I think that beyond Sirius, and the stars of the constellations of Leo and Orion, there might be ritual alignments involving the 'Quarter Guardian' stars. Guys like Cornelius Agrippa and other magickal/alchemical types cite them as important, and I would think that anybody following esoteric sky-stuff would know the old Behenian star 'assignments' and possibly design ritual to use them.

I know that Aldebaran is the Star of the East Quarter, Regulus is the Star of the South Quarter, and Antares is the Star of the West Quarter. This follows the old 'quarter assignments' of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius-- they were referred to as 'fixed signs' not because they were hidebound energies, but because they 'fixed' the equinoxes and solstices way back when. This is something else that so-called 'modern astrology' doesn't get. Thanks to precession there are now 4 new fixed signs: Pisces (spring equinox), Gemini (summer solstice), Virgo (autumnal equinox), and Sagittarius (winter solstice).

Also, before I forget, Spica is one of the 15 Behenian stars, but I haven't run across anything mythologically that singles it out, at least in the Egyptian stuff I've read. That doesn't mean the info isn't out there; I just haven't run across anything yet.

Adrian, your comments are coming across as narrow-minded and rude. Please read my second post, 6th paragraph down, and you will know Who/What I think Sekhmet might be.

I will also be happy to provide you with a bibliography of about 50 good books on ancient Egypt, as well as another 20 or so on what would be termed 'speculative Egyptology'. For the latter, start with Hancock and Bauval, and Moustafa Gadalla.

The cream of the crop on Hathor is 'Hathor Rising' by Alison Roberts. And, yes, Hathor IS your basic Sky-Goddess-- that's why the Egyptians depicted her as a cow whose body was blue and covered with stars. Just Google 'Hathor sky cow' and then go to the image search, and you will get plenty of museum-pix of Her in Her Celestial Cow form.

Three books on hieroglyphics that I can recommend right off the top of my head are 'Fascinating Hieroglyphics' by Christian Jacq, 'Hieroglyphics: The Writings of Ancient Egypt' by Maria Carmela Betro, and 'Middle Egyptian' by James P. Allen.

Peace,

T'Zairis

T'Zairis said...

Carol, I completely agree with you that Sanders' 'channeling language' is utterly and irredeemably dippy. A big chunk of what's there is him and his own spiritual druthers and adolescent preferences, which I suspect included blonde women.

The thing that struck me the most about the channeling is that he was 'peddling Mars' in connection with Sekhmet. It makes me wonder why, because in extant Egyptian material, She is clearly associated with the sun. The closest one gets to a possible Mars-link in the lore is Sekhmet's title 'Lady of Deshret', meaning 'Lady of the Red Land', i.e., the desert. In fact, the Egyptian word 'dsrt' is where our word 'desert' comes from.

There is also nothing in the Egyptian mythos that links Sekhmet with Set. Sanders was also the 'first source' of that particular association, and it is not a traditionally Egyptian one. The male deities most often linked with Sekhmet are Ptah and Re (Ra). While both Set and Sekhmet live in Deshret, they are enemies: in the Re mythos, Re/Horus and Set are implacable foes, and Sekhmet is Re's fire-spitting Eye, which is part of the 'Horisian' arsenal used to defeat Set and avenge Ausar's death.

While much of Sanders' channeling smacks of the sexually puerile passed off as 'revelation', I think that the styling of Sekhmet as Queen of Mars and the attempt to link Her with Set reek of 'other agendas'.

Peace,

T'Zairis

expat said...

>>More proof that you haven't even read the book before you came in here attacking it.<<


I've just re-read the relevant passages from Chapter 5, and been reminded that this theory you are promoting is even more sloppy than I stated previously. According to your theory, there are actually five significant elevations, since you allow negative 33° and negative 19.5°. There are five "significant" stars plus the Moon and the Earth.

Armed with your arbitrary conjecture about five elevations and seven astral bodies, you search your star-position software for coincidences with space events. Launch is just as good as landing for this purpose -- even an Apollo SM burn is good enough in one instance. You come up triumphant in the case of Ranger 7, for whose launch the Moon was at -33° and for whose impact Alnitak was at +19.5° You don't mention the following space missions because you couldn't find any coincidences:

Ranger 4
Ranger 6
Ranger 8
Ranger 9
Lunar Orbiter 1
Lunar Orbiter 2
Lunar Orbiter 3
Lunar Orbiter 4
Lunar Orbiter 5

You know, Mike, this is the absolute antithesis of science.

Mike Bara said...

http://www.marin.cc.ca.us/~don/study/7read.html

orion28 said...

Hah that made me laugh. That page actually was pretty helpful. As far as all the other conversation here I'd take channeled information with a grain of salt. I don't disbelieve it could be possible, its just that theres too much room for fakes.

Mike Bara said...

I don't know that "Fakes" is the issue so much as misinterpretation.

expat said...

And by the way, lunar impact points of spacecraft in the Ranger series were not under anyone's control. They were actually lucky that a few of them hit the Moon at all.

Mike Bara said...

"And by the way, lunar impact points of spacecraft in the Ranger series were not under anyone's control. They were actually lucky that a few of them hit the Moon at all."

This is quite possibly the most absurd statement in posting career with a vast back catalog of them.

orion28 said...

"I don't know that "Fakes" is the issue so much as misinterpretation."

Yes, that is a good point. I'm just a skeptic believe it or not. I usually avoid anything where someone says they channeled information. Although Edgar Cayce is interesting.

The Fool said...

The problem is twofold-- that particular view is 1) 20th/21st Century New Age, and 2) it is based on modern 'Western astrology' which is seriously messed-up

I would agree with you, Western Astrology is messed up because people think that the constellations themselves are the drivers, and they ignore the Universal principles that underlie what the constellations represent. Any random stars could be cobbled together to represent those Principles.

The main thing to keep in mind is 12, 30 degree sections that add up to a 360 degree representation of Unity. Astrology incorporates the 2 fold, the 3 fold and the 4 fold.

The Fool said...

It's truly a sad statement on a society when it places a chump like William Shatner on a pedestal.

Maybe it is time for a reset.

Adrian said...

to t'zairis

It is your prerogative to call me narrow-minded and rude. Statements as such say it all, especially when one uses it to escape the subject adressed.

I asked you to give me references if any to actual hieroglyphic text's where one can read all the things you "claim" to be real or at least suggest that they are real. Instead you give references to books on how to read and write hieroglyph's like giving someone a "paint by numbers" present so... who is actually rude here? I can read it just fine thank you.

And furthermore you find it necessary to indulce yourselves in give advise to start with books from Hancock, Bauval and others.

I am sorry but that is really to much...Bauval of all people..maybe it would be prudent to read his work yourselves..because for all Bauval has done is everything but doing egyptology a favour.

it can't be a secret if one knows the work of Robert Temple's "Sirius mystery" where Bauval possibly got his inspiration from. And yes, it is the same Bauval who turned the pyramid of Khufu into a great vagina in order for the dead pharao to ejaculate his soul between and amongst the stars..please :-) Yes..all in all a great help for archeology to state that the whole gigantic and very complex structure was solely build for priest's to mount an artificial penis onto a dead pharaoh in order to perform a ritual wherein this artificial "gismo" is thrusted into one of the shaft's in the king's chamber (obviously not mentioning that these shaft's where originally closed for one reason or another) I hope you will forgive a smile that this can't be taken seriously at all. These kind of theories are merely a continuation of the foolishness we already know from the archeological establishment and not very helpful at all.

So why not keep the focus on all the mysterious and possibly interesting leads that may produce new idea's on already very clouded and restricted areas of science such as archeology concerning ancient Egypt.

For instance....that.. according to ancient Egyptians..Ra is or was the Lord of Mars. As some of the other planets where governed by other gods. This fact next to that Hathor was originally the consort of Ra and that there offspring was...Horus

All this does not reflect in a good or bad way on other goddesses :-) it is merely another angle

Adrian said...

...and since there's something about Mars...

In terms of ancient Egypt...that is to say archaic, pre and early post dynastic..there are but a few of the enormity of gods and goddesses we now all know about...that wear a disk on their head...a red disk in most cases no less???

We all learned, have been told or can read in every book on the subject that this is a representation of the solar disk..a key part in the religion of the aforementioned.

Now...I ask the following question...is it really a representation of the solar disk or is it conceivable that it might be a representation of Mars?? Remember...I am not talking about all the late Egyptian gods and godesses but about the ones belonging to the period mentioned above.

Think of it...Ra..Lord and god of Mars (red disk) Hathor onetime consort of Ra (red disk) and their son Horus (red disk) and Sekhmet (red disk) famous from the tale of the destruction of mankind by Ra and wherein it is told that Hathor (lady of the two faces) became Sekhmet and then Hathor again.. afterwards going about as separate deities.