A Forum Dedicated to Discussion of the New York Times Bestseller "Dark Mission - The Secret History of NASA" by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara
They look similar to some of the pics in the 'Taymor' thread going on over at ATS (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread468269/pg1). I think these three you've posted are MRO images. If so (or if not) can you provide a source link?-S
Edit on previous post: I just clicked on one of the pics and got the larger version with MRO and Di Bello in the name. Are these the higher res versions that he's been discussing?-S
Also (last one I promise) I think that picture 3 may be upside down. I can identify it much more as a city from that vantage point. Any chance of getting some orientation/lat_long/time data on these to see if the image has been imaged before?-S
What's the scale in the photos? I would especially like to know how big the feature in the center of Pic #2 is-- the one that looks like a tiered building with a bright white plaza in front of it and narrow, elevated walk-ways (or a very high rampart wall) to the left of it.Peace,T'Zairis
"Columnar basalts!"Oh---sorry---I wasn't supposedto say that, was I---(LMAO)Honestly, I couldn't guess. All at once,it looks like the strangest comination ofnatural AND unnatural features.One second, "it's just rocks," and the next,I'd swear that's a perfect cube I see overat the lower left in photo #2....Bizarre.Got me on this one!:-)Hathor -- Using the magnifier...;-)P.S.: "Columnar basalts" with some obviouslandscaping thrown in???Evidence of some sort of mining activity?Ramps and roadways?:-))))
The scale is - Big.I see temples and bunkers, steps and ramps. Sorry I've guests in town for the next week but if I can I'll try to trace out some details.Mike
Is this Iapetus? I haven't seen so many right angles since seeing the first few parts of "Moon With A View".
Well, I do see the photo tags now saying MRO, but I still think it looks very much like the rectilinear structures on Iapetus, the same stuff is all over the place there. It looks like the whole "moon" is made of the structure. Which also leads to a more important point... the same type of construction is seen all over the solar system. My money is on the fact that it was all built by the same people, at around the same time. Who ever migrated from the now destroyed planet (which is now the asteroid belt) sure left their mark.
Agreed - in that it is a artificial not elemental creation. I'll leave it up to guys like Mike to interpret most likely what it is.
Artificiality is......right under our feet.According to information I've been comingacross lately---1. The Earth is three times bigger than itwas originally (that is, three times biggerthan the original "accretion"). Or, in otherwords, SOMEBODY from SOMEWHERE didsome interstellar dirt hauling.2. The materials of which the (outer partof) Earth is made are not native to thisregion of space (on the GALACTIC scale).3. It appears that the Earth itself is aconstructed (hence artificial) planet.4. Our Moon, likewise, is not from aroundhere.5. NASA lists over...245, I think it was...properties of the Moon indicating that itis artificial. (Mind you, they don't goso far as to voice that conclusion, butrather leave it to your...uh..."ample imagination.")6. The SOHO captured a series of images ofa large artificial object flying about the Sun,apparently collecting energy from low-levelSolar eruptions, and using it to send amatter/energy beam to a point behind theSun (the Earth-Trojan point). Some observersspeculate that the object is a machine usedfor building planets.7. Hubble observations of the most commonstructure of "other solar systems" would seemto indicate that *this* entire solar systemwas BUILT specifically to be habitable.8. "The Builders" probably came from someother star system entirely, and might havecome from some other galaxy entirely.That's my own opinion, such as it is.:-)Hathor -- Summing up the observations thus far;-)
Marsandro--I applaud your summary! I would also add that beings who engineer planets and/or entire solar systems can also do the same to DNA-- their own, or anybody else's. Therefore, they do not need our DNA to repair (hypothetical) damage to their own, as they can whip up biochemistry from scratch, so to speak. They are also not here to eat our children, to harvest 'soul-stuff', or to mine gold, because with the kind of technology we are talking about (as in the made-in-space laser-proof ferrous silicate stuff found at Tunguska), they can make gold from scratch, too.Even among people who credit UFOs and such, most just do not get how weird the technology is. If the Isaac/CARET stuff is true (and it does dovetail nicely with independent accounts by abductees/experiencers, other whistleblowers, etc.), the reason there are no welds, rivets, nails, screws, glued-together components, nuts and/or bolts found in any UFO is because everything on the ship is held in place by anti-gravity/stasis fields. Plus, the material forming all the structural elements of the ship does double-duty as part of the computer/computational matrix of the ship. Such a craft is both a flyable ship and its own brain, all at the same time.Even my agile noodle conks out when I muse on the on-demand computational power that has to be embodied in a Mothership...Peace,T'Zairis
Mike - what is your take on the recently finished Japanese Kaguya orbiter, and whether it got any revealing photos of the moon?
D-19.5,Honestly, I didn't really look at any of the images, and some of the movies I saw seemed whitewashed to me. I found it hard to really find anything on their web site, actually. It's a future project to go back and look at all the realsed data a little closer.I did look at a movie of the floor of Tycho, but they didn't really get very close to some of the objects that interested me.
Hi T'Zairis,Right on about The Builders.Then again, there are The Others out there...and they may be less capable (or perhaps lessfriendly, in some cases).The Isaac/CARET information likely is indeedfor real, although I suspect that such amethodology is limited to smaller vessels.It occurs to me that building mega-vesselsby the use of bulk materials and "Rosie theRiveter" is unlikely. Were that the case,we should be able to see the shipyards fromhere, with nothing more than binoculars---fields for rivets notwithstanding.I thought upon this problem, and concludedthat nanotech is involved.They seed a large asteroid with some suitablenanotech, and...voila! Instant giant spacevessel!Or planet building machine, or whatever....This also would explain the seeming fluid-likeproperties of various solid walls and floorsin some contactee cases, where doors orother openings "simply appear."Nanites rearranging themselves....Indeed, the whole thing would be intelligent.One wonders what we may find Out Thereeventually....:-)Hathor -- Musing the possibilities;-)
Yes, I have heard of the Earth being much larger than it was originally, but I'm not sure I buy the "cosmic dirt mover" theory. I won't say that it's impossible (reality is usually far stranger than the wildest speculation), I happen to think that the Earth just naturally grows via instreaming hyperdimentional energy.I for one cannot wait to see the official Hoagland/Bara take on these AOTW pictures. I know the Enterprise Mission camp has been pretty silent lately which only mean one thing... something good is on it's way! I did manage to hear Hoagie's last Coast chat that happened around the time of the Hubble mission and I was pretty shocked to hear him make such claims. I only hope that he's right on the money as usual, the implications are nothing short of monumental.
Here's a link to an article on more gov't space secrecy:http://www.space.com/news/090610-military-fireballs.html
We're buried in the new material for the Revised Edition right now, that's why so silent.That plus I'm going out drinking a lot... :)
Hey Mike,Take some of that blueHawaiian Punch......add a little Vodka......or maybe just a tablespoon of EverClear......and Voila!"Romulan Ale!" :-))))Starborne,Interesting idea, and if the case, then thereis the possibility of it being by design.However, you're describing "matter fromenergy" in a fashion that even HDP may notyet have a foundation to explain.Then again, the possibilities are limitless....Even so, the "alien composition" suggests analien source of materials.Beyond this, we are reduced to speculation....Except, that is, in the case of our Moon.It's arrival here 14,500 or so years agowas recorded by various cultures.It made two close passes of the Earth (toset the two-body system in proper motion)and settled into its current well-maintainedorbit.I might add that it has been observed of latethat (1) the Earth recently has begun movingaway from the Sun, and (2) the Moon alsohas begun moving away from the Earth.It sounds to me like the Moon is pulling usout from the Sun, albeit slowly. What I meanis, whoever is Up There at the helm is slowlyhauling us out to a "safer orbit" for theduration of the current solar cycle, whichsome scientists speculate is going to beone wild ride.:-)Hathor -- Immersed in The New Physics;-)P.S.: And Mike, WATCH IT with the EverClear....That's * 200 proof * !!!!!(Well you knew that, didn't you!):-)p
Mike-That's good to hear! Lookin' forward to the Reissue!It's also good to hear that you're not just burying yourself in work either! ;) Have FunMarsandro-I forgot all about project CARET (Thanks for the reminder T'Zairis!). If that type of technology exsists, it is entirely possible that Earth and it's Moon were both created (or at least terraformed in a big way (Star Trek II anyone?))as you postulate. It is also in the limits of this reality that the crop circles are, as either you or T'Z said, some type of programming language for the planet. Again, speculation... yet darn interesting.As far as what I said about the Earth growing on it's own as a function of the in-streaming HD energy, I don't see why E=mc2 can't work backwards to crystalize new matter from such massive amounts of HD energy. Of course, it may be how these planet builders work in tandem with the crop circles. This is all very possible provided that all matter is simply standing waves set up in the Aether, which is a fluidic consciousness. Just saying. :)
Starborne--I have mentioned the 'crop circles as programming language', but I am not the only one who thinks this. I wrote to Linda Moulton Howe at Earthfiles after the rachet-pi crop formation last year, and she was kind enough to write back and say that she suspects the same thing.The CARET glyphs are just way too similar to many crop formations for it to be accidental or coincidental. Also, in the written material that accompanies the CARET diagrams, it is stated that the diagrams have to be adjusted to take into consideration the shape of the substrate they are printed/drawn on, because the shape of the substrate is a part of the language itself. Crop circles also do this-- there are many instances of apparently circular formations actually being somewhat elliptical, etc. Oftentimes, the designs that are 'out of true' overlay uneven ground (like small rises or depressions), and I'd be willing to bet money that there might be a correlation between how much the designs are 'off' and how uneven the terrain is. I will also say here that I don't think it is simply a projection problem, i.e., the circle is elliptical simply because it was projected onto an uneven surface. I suggest that it is elliptical because it has been tweaked beforehand-- the programming symbol has to be adjusted for the substrate it will be applied to.Everything is consciousness and waveform-- even inanimate objects. Shamans have known this for thousands of years, because human neural-nets (notice I didn't say 'human brains') are part of the system and are thus able to naturally and spontaneously decode it. I think that shamans making petroglyphs on certain rocks, and the circle-makers imprinting glyphs in cereal crops in certain areas of the world are engaged in the same thing-- writing programming language on a living substrate. While both sets of messages are holographic-- petroglyphs carry mythological meaning and crop formations carry individuated messages for the researchers who study them-- at bottom, they are identical. They are the fractal spreading of planetary programming data. Humans making rock-art and monuments in response to crop formations are both relaying data in the system and communicating directly with it.There is an interesting book by Don A. Davidson called 'Shape Power' which talks about the idea that physical shapes-- and the way physical shapes are formed-- can actually shape, move and/or hold energy. The way in which a circle is drawn or 3-dimensional forms are placed in relation to one another directly determines how they will hold/disperse energy, and interestingly, Isaac's CARET information says the same thing about the programming glyphs.I think this is why the would-be meme-controlling hierarchy of the planet are so interested in 'magickal ritual', and also why they seem to hate shamans and their plant-helpers (entheogens) so much. In the first case, they know that their (ritual) actions involve data-spreading within the system, and in the second case, they want the rank-and-file of humanity safely ensconced in religious constructs which deny shamanic knowledge, lest we start doing our own communicating/reality-shaping within the system. This is why I devote some time each day to meditation and what I will term 'shamanic action'...Peace,T'Zairis
Good point, Starborne!From waves to string functions,and thence to particles from thequantum vacuum as per the model ofBearden-Bergman.I had not thought of it that way. You proposean interesting mechanism. You may well beright.And I must credit T'Zairis with pointingout the (possible) function of crop circlesas active circuit elements on the Earth'ssurface.We do indeed live in interesting times!:-)Hathor -- Ordering Chinese takeout...;-)P.S.: The string functions actually dislodgemassless charge from the cubic array of suchcharges (the "quantum substrate") thuscausing the freed charges to traverse the"Bergman heliocycloidal path" resulting inparticles.There's more to the story, but that is whereparticles come from.:-)
What will we get from the next lunar mission? Probably more sandbox images to distort the massive remnants of civilization on the moon.http://news.cnet.com/8301-19514_3-10268241-239.html
Hey all! There is a rather interesting HiRISE image of the "Grand Canyon of Gale Crater". It was taken on March 3 of this year. It looks to me like it's a picture of water, of course the official explaination is probably "false color", but I'm sure you guys feel differently. ;)
Oh, hehe.... here's the link.http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_012195_1750
That picture shows a very good example of a huge flow of water effects on the land. The best way to simulate that is to take some soil/sand and a few small rocks and rush water over it. You will get very similiar results. In fact getting it similiar enough wouldnt be too hard and I thought about making a fake Mars picture of which you would be hard pressed to sense any differences.
I'd love to see a real example of what you are arguing.
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Hi Mike!There is no question that there are many interesting things on the surface of Mars and Moon. We both know that this photo is one from many others that point out very clearly that there are real structures on Mars.All of us expect for a disclosure but I don't think that Obama will give green light to that. He is just a puppet on the NWO who control everything.To bad that Hoagy put so many faith in Obama. He will be very disappointed ( soon enough I hope)Still if the disclosure will not come from US it might come from Europe or China.:)Until then I'm looking foreword to the DM II thogh.Cheers!
I highly doubt disclosure is possible, but maybe when people can take cruise ships to the moon it will have to be.
This looks like it could easily be a piece of rock or something as seen from a microscope.
THESE ARE REAL SATELLITE IMAGES!
Hi Mike!Jose Escamilla finally got 1 million votes that allow him now to publish on youtube his movie: Moon Risinghere is part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ3wh2cjekEYou have a great haircut Mike!:)Cheers!
Hate to burst the 33rd comment. ;) But here goes.Anyone catch the 'Astronomy Picture of the Day' for July 6th? Unknown Dark Material on MercuryA curious shot. I rotated left 90 degrees to view. Its a black 'anomaly' sitting in a large 100km crater.I won't jump to any wild conclusions, but as Richard has encouraged to read between the lines and see how disclosure is happening all the time, I found it odd that they chose just the day before this to post the APOD with a 5 year old picture(2004) of the crashed Genesis craft. ??hmmmGenesis Mission's Hard ImpactJust thought this one two play with somewhat similar looking images seemed worth mentioning.
Here is the larger image of the Mercury object.1018x1024
Fascinating---It looks almost like some sortof carbon scoring left by somekind of hot boring machine.Notice the way it is imbedded in the crater.It's as if something started to bore its wayunderground, then stopped and backed outof the hole.:-)Hathor -- Noting the peak reading on theWeird Meter;-)
From the Associated Press: "WASHINGTON – NASA could put a man on the moon but didn't have the sense to keep the original video of the live TV transmission. In an embarrassing acknowledgment, the space agency said Thursday that it must have erased the Apollo 11 moon footage years ago so that it could reuse the videotape."Silly NASA - how could they be so "careless"?
Any fool would know toarchive something of thatnature.One wonders what they were so concernedthat someone might notice....So perhaps the "original" tape needed, uh,"editing," for archival purposes......and they had to make sure that they gotrid of the evidence....It's like all this blurry crap we get frommultimillion dollar space probes. A $199SONY HandyCam from WalMart can do afar better job.And for $399, you can get 1080p HiDef with200X electronic zoom.:-)Hathor -- In the cutting room;-)
Well said. I am astonished that no one of notable title has really cried fowl about this ongoing premise. Black and white, far off images, low res, blurred(as you said). Specs available for all these craft show quite outstanding capability, yet rarely do we see it or even anything remotely close to it.My favorite, is all the high detail cameras that seem to have 'problems' at oddly perfect timing. Failing and then poof, working great again after.
I am new to the blog, but not new to the mission! I do have some questions and points I would like to point out. It has been suggested by many that not just the earth, but the entire universe is expanding. More commonly known as expansion theory and the book "The Final Theory" goes into a lot of detail on this topic. I will not say that I am a definite convert, but his discussions on "gravity" and what it really means also seems to play into the idea of hyperdimensional physics and this could be a really interesting idea. There are going to be those that will disagree with his conclusions in the book, but there are a lot of good things in it. Another point that I think is paramount here is what story to believe when it comes to the crop circles you guys were talking about. I read an article that showed that two brits had admitted that they created the crop circles. Just trying to understand that point. Finally what exactly is this CARET thing you guys are referring to???
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