Wednesday, May 14, 2008

NASA to Make Annoucement Today - Have They Found Planet X?

In a few hours, NASA is scheduled to hold a press briefing on a new discovery made by the Chandra X-Ray telescope. According to the press release, it will concern a celestial object "in our Galaxy" that astronomers have been hunting for more than 50 years.

I'm just wondering if it might be Planet X?

It seems like a long shot, especially since Planet X is a solar system object, not "in our galaxy," but we'll see.

UPDATE: They found a young Supernova.


MeanGreen said...

Thanks for the info! ;-)

Admin said...

A Super Nova? Yawn....

Is this like a general slap in the face telling us peons that we are never going to see the good stuff that they already have?


expat said...

No surprise that that guess was dead wrong (as was that of the notoriously error-prone Richard Hoagland on C2C AM). How likely is it that a body inhabiting the frozen outer reaches of the solar system would be an X-ray source? Duhhhhhh....

T'Zairis said...

Boy, this is a classic example of how they keep people aware of the NASA name, but fend off kindling any real public interest in what they are doing. I mean, why the big special-announcement-fanfare for yet another supernova, even if it might be the youngest one they've found? It's just more 'pay no attention to those Martian ruins behind the curtain' NASA media-twaddle, because let's face it-- John/Jane Q. Public could care less about supernovas. The gist of the message is, 'NASA is busy, but what they do is basically boring, so just move along and don't ask any questions, folks'...



Mike Bara said...

"No surprise that that guess was dead wrong (as was that of the notoriously error-prone Richard Hoagland on C2C AM). How likely is it that a body inhabiting the frozen outer reaches of the solar system would be an X-ray source? Duhhhhhh...." -- expat

Once again you continue to show your complete ignorance of all things scientific. Why don't you google the term "Brown Dwarf" and educate yourself before you spout off and demonstrate how much you don't know?

Oh, that's right. I forgot you were "expat."

Professor Taylor said...

Word T'zairis. Word up. I second that. (What's up Big Mike?)

expat said...

>>Why don't you google the term "Brown Dwarf" and ...<<

Considering that brown dwarfs have been directly observed at distances measured in hundred of light-years, how likely is it that one would remain undetected in our own solar system, despite very earnest efforts to locate "Planet X"?

Mike Bara said...

How likely is it? I'd say such an object could go undetected for... forever.

Your absolute ignorance of the vastness of space, the limitations of our instruments, and even the most rudimentary concepts of basic space science are amusing... to a point. The fact that you weren't even aware that something as cool as brown dwarf could be an x-ray source before you spouted off and made a fool of yourself (again!) proves to me that you’re actually an intellectual masochist. I think you truly enjoy being made a fool of in front of other people. You must. Why else would you keep posting your insipid drivel here for us all to laugh at?

If you have any kids, they must have to wear paper bags over their heads at school.

Please god, don’t let him reproduce...

T'Zairis said...

Speaking of NASA secrets and not-so-secrets, all of Adrian's moaning about my having mentioned the movie 'Stargate' over at the 'Egyptian History' thread made me dig out my copies of both 'Stargate' and 'Mission to Mars' and re-watch them today.

I haven't screened either movie in at least a year or two, and I just wanted to see if I had overlooked anything of interest. It turns out I had-- at the beginning of 'Stargate', when Daniel is giving his lecture about the Giza Pyramids to a hostile crowd, one of the guys in the audience asks Daniel, 'Well, who do you think built the pyramids?', and a second guy chimes in, very sarcastically, 'Yeah, just who did build the pyramids? Martians??'

It's the old Mars/Egypt thing again, along with spin-- positing alien artifacts in Egypt is perfectly okay as long as they aren't alien Martian artifacts, and the 'point' is made right at the beginning of the film that 'Martian' equals 'nutso', especially when positing something that touches on goodies left behind by other beings 'out there'.

'Mission to Mars' was also interesting, as I hadn't remembered quite so many NASA logos all over everything, which is no doubt why the movie was semi-spiked before its release. People wearing NASA-stickers all over their bodies while chatting about the Face on Mars being real must have caused some blood pressure spikes within the 'enclave'.

The two movies just keep getting more interesting as time goes by and stuff like Dark Mission is published.

In the meantime, pay no attention to the probable Martian stargate being pictured on your TV-screen, ladies and gentlemen... Move along, nothing to see here...



Adrian said...


thanks for the compliment :-) at least I was inspiring in one way seeing two good movies again and so are the series by the way

maybe there is some truth to be found as to the reason why SS called certain flying disk's they made (based on reveiled document's of which has to be proven if they are authentic or not) Haunebu??

maybe they found something back then in Egypt. Why? well the name Haunebu sounds very Egyptian and can be easely translated as Lords (of/with) Wings-Disk

Is the Vatican also going to make an announcement under the title Secretum Omega in support of NASA

expat said...

As usual you substitute insult for debate, and it isn't at all a persuasive tactic. In the known universe, how many brown dwarfs are planets?

Mike Bara said...

Yo Adrian,

I assume you've read Joe Farrell's stuff, right?

Mike Bara said...

The notion that I have to substitute "insult for debate" with you is absolutely laughable. In order for there to be a debate, you would have to bring something to the table in the form of an argument.

As to whether Brown Dwarfs are planets or stars, again, I refer you to Google. Had you done this previously, you might have known that Brown Dwarf's are x-ray sources and saved yourself some embarrassment.

And if you knew anything about the Planet X debate, you would have known that it concerns a "solar system object," not necessarily a "planet."

I shall pillory you no further...

marsandro said...

Hi T'Zairis,

I used to think that the idea of an "actual"
stargate was...well, at best, merely a case
for conjecture.

Not any more.

The *real* "new physics" behind that sort of
technology is something I've been looking at
in recent years.

And I've been driven to the conclusion that
not only is it possible, but in the case of
the many ancient alien (or even terrestrial)
civilizations, it is likely.

Moreover, there is the distinct possibility
that we ourselves may figure out our own
version of the technology---and far sooner
than most people think.

Life in the StarGate lane....


T'Zairis said...

Marsandro, I would have to agree with you about possible/probable stargate-tech.

Another thing that I think is real is advanced healing technology, as per all the stuff about Priore devices, etc., on Tom Bearden's website. I think it is quite literally criminal that Rife/Priore technology is being sequestered, and is stigmatized as 'electronic quackery' into the bargain.

Of course, nazi-style elitists only think of themselves as human, so as long as they don't suffer, then human suffering doesn't exist. My one consolation is that despite digging all sorts of underground facilities/hidey-holes for themselves, they still won't be safe if an HD-physics-type energy blow-out happens. The insides of the planet are going to be just as dicey as the surface, and I am sure they will all wear suitably shocked looks on their faces as they are deep-fried by 'power out of nowhere' in their underground worm-cans/bunkers...

me-OWWW! ;o3



Adrian said...


if you mean Dr. Joseph P. Farrell...yes I've read on of his books on the Giza Death Star

but my former post was based on the mentioned document's and drawings that were supposedly released by a Templar Order in Europe (I think Switserland or Austria) and back then I found the second part of the name Haunebu curious because "Neb" plural "Nebu" is very ancient and Egyptian and since the SS was "very much digging around" all over the world in those days...and as the saying goes...who knows what money, staff and means may have procured :-)

Furthermore...there are a lot of Egyptian hieroglyph's/ideograms that look eerely simular to the technical drawings of the there a connection..I don't know..

And if there is a connection (to be found) that could explain why "everybody" is trying so hard lately to explain that the designation Haunebu is related to a place called Hauneburg...

Why would a german or any german for that matter call a Mercedes a Merced or an Audi an Au etc

HHMSS Sword said...

I was going to post - but I didnt bring my boxing gloves...

...hell - even I got posters in my own blogg trying to bring me down - but I still don't stifle debate...

...Brown dwarf - fuggidabout it...

Its not a brown dwarf out there...

An any event - it wasn't the "Super nova" that NASA wanted to have internet watchers looking for - they used(jumped on the wagon with the band) "the pope" to send a message...

...You guys (all of you) - you acting like a bunch of rookies... couldn't see this for what it was?

Trickle down religious ideals - disclosure on a global religious scale... ...

TPTB - are laughing there ass's off at all you "conspiracy nuts"


Gort said...

There is a big air show in Columbia, MO., Labor Day weekend.
It is one of the few free-to-the-public air shows of it's scale in the U.S.

Anyway, I just heard thursday that the special guest VIP this year will be Apollo 11 Astronaut Buzz Aldrin.

I wonder if the time release aspirin is about kick in a little faster.

I might go out to meet him. It would be a hoot to talk with a man who has actually walked on the moon. ;)

Salute to Veterans 2008
Memorial Day Weekend Celebration


Gort said...

The Memorial Day Air Show is May 24-25, 2008. Memorial Day, not Labor Day (Oops--I always get those two mixed up--I guess 'cause one is a big BBQ holiday at the beginning of summer and the other is a big BBQ holiday at the end of summer.)

Memorial Day in some areas is still a day to remember and decorate the graves of all loved ones who have passed on.

For a lot of people it is a day to remember dead veterans, although it apparently has evolved into a day to remember or salute all veterans, dead and living. This despite already having Veterans Day in November.

Memorial Day is also an excuse to sell cars, have big sales events at malls and big box stores, go to the lake, watch the Indy 500, BBQ, etc. Also to put money in the firefighters boot and watch that goofy Jerry Lewis on TV.

Labor Day is the last big weekend of the summer, BBQ, car sales, mall and big box store sales, start following baseball teams that might have a chance to make the playoffs..., did I mention BBQ?, and oh, Labor Day is supposed to have something to do with "organized labor."

Most of the rest of the world celebrates labor day on May Day, to remember the Haymarket Square massacre in Chicago.
Workers of the World, Unite!!!!

expat said...

gort: I wouldn't ask Buzz Aldrin's opinion of Richard Hoagland if I were you. Buzz may be getting on but his left hook is still deadly....

Adrian said...

Hey t'zairis

On forehand...there's no pun intended but have you seen the movie Totall Recall by Paul Verhoeven?

Already in this film (1990) there a lot of mentioning about pyramids on Mars and alien artifact's....hell...the whole storyline is based on it

jjrakman said...


I have a question about the UN video. In it, Mr. Hoagland talks towards the end about a potential scale model to Cydonia here on Earth. In that the Avesbury/Hillsbury site may be a scale model of the Tholus/Crater.

He then speculated if there would be a matching face, city and D & M. But that research was ongoing into that possibility.

Any developments on that front?

Mike Bara said...

Yeah, they made a trip to England, and I think it was written up in one of the old Mars Mission newsletters. I've been trying to find good copies of them so we can eventually post them as pdf's.

marsandro said...

Hi T'zairis,

I have had occaision to use a "BioUltraGen"
machine to cure crippling arthritis in my right hand.

It worked.

After only three of the required five to seven
treatments (and two weeks of intense pain
because I didn't follow up with the remaining
treatments), I was cured.

CURED. Completely. Permanently.

And all over.

I was doing some circuit design work for
Loren Zanier out in California at the time,
and he let me use the machine to help with
some health problems I had been having
due to "chem trail spraying" in Canada.

That's a little story in itself....

Anyway, this was a dramatic introduction
to the technology of Rife, and I have never
forgotten the lesson.

Several years earlier, I had come across
the Lorentz Force Generator used by Rick
Andersen to save one of his dying plants,
and I have developed an idea for a modified
version of the machine to treat myself...
to a little potential rejuvenation (no pun

It can even be used as an "electromagnetic"
Rife machine. The modifications are simple.

I can't wait to build the thing. I need
the space, the money...the usual....

I can park it right next to my telescope that
I use to scan for Planet X....

(I had to get that in somewhere!)


Gort said...

I had a listen to Exopolitics Radio
program from 5-17-08 about the timing of the Vatican chief astronomer's interview in the official Vatican newspaper. The interview was published on May 13, 2008, 91 years after the May 13, 1917 appearance of "the Virgin Mary" at Fatima, Portugal, before a large crowd which witnessed a big flying disk hover over them.
In the opinion of the host, the Vatican has known all along that the Fatima event was a UFO/ET event.

Also on the show, an interview with Stephen Bassett on ETs and the 2008 election.


jjrakman said...

Mike, it sure would be cool if youguys could find that. I always wondered if they ever found anything where the Face, D&M and City would be. I wondered if they ever took a metal detector or something over the areas, or if there were any ancient structures over those areas. Insteresting stuff.

Mike Bara said...

As I recall, they did find stuff where they expected, but I don't remember the details.

Starborne said...

Hey Mike,

I'm new to the blog here and wanted to say thanks for the Dark Mission book. I'm still blown away with everything that I've read, especially about the C3PO head lying in Shorty Crater. I'm also quite interested in what Joe Farrell will be bringing into the next instalment with all of his research into Nazi technologies, and the ancient artifacts all over the Solar system.

Speaking of which, I've been wondering if you heard anything interesting about Iapetus since Cassini's fly-by back in September. I read the "Moon With a View" series and I'm dying to see what else you guys have for part 7. Please let me know if there's anything new to report.

BTW: I'm glad to see the book getting a good amount of air time on SciFi.

Mike Bara said...

Yes, there are further developments on Iapetus. We're currently discussing whether to finish the web articles or include it in an updated version of Dark Mission.

We'll let you know when it's decided.

expat said...

>>...the C3PO head lying in Shorty Crater<<

Correction: a rock that reminded Richard Hoagland of C3PO, the image of which he then enlarged x6 and subjected to "processing" and "color enhancement". Mike Bara announced on this blog that this was a "repeatable" process but when asked to provide the information necessary to repeat it, flew into a huff and declared that he wasn't willing to "do your homework for you", not apparently understanding that, in science, acquisition of such information is not homework for the would-be repeater but an absolute obligation on the original publisher. Safest to assume this is pure nonsense, pending further data.

T'Zairis said...

I think a post of mine got lost a day or so back, so I'll try again...

Adrian-- Yes, I saw 'Total Recall' when it first came out. The movie was based on a Philip K. Dick story, and I have always thought that something very novel and worth noting was going on in PKD's consciousness- field.

Marsandro-- I had an experience like yours with acupuncture, which I think is a sort of 'low-tech Rife'(needle-transducers at resonant biofield points). I was being treated for a problem with my neck, but I was also cured of a bursitis-like problem in one of my shoulders at the same time (which I had not mentioned to the acupuncturist), and I have never since had any difficulty. It is flat-out amazing, and yes, it does work!

I, too, am waiting for more on Iapetus! Hope there is more soon!



orion28 said...

In another synchronicity, I am reading a book called “cosmos and psyche” The author was on C2C. He was mentioning the discovery of new planets and their archetypal meanings. For instance the discovery of Uranus coincided with the enlightenment period, which coincided with archetypal promethean characteristics: the French and American revolutions, etc. I was thinking the discovery of a new planet has implications that are much larger in scope that we can imagine. It will in no doubt come, but only when the time is right – and the timing of events I believe, even though we feel some sense of control in the universe, that there is divine timing (even above NASA!) Once the new planet “constellates” into our psyche, radical changes will already be under way or at the culmination, it’s too early to tell which we are in. But it won’t just be another discovery; it will be a reflection of changing paradigms here on earth.

Mike Bara said...

No expat, it's actually "safest" to assume you don't know anything about how images are processed.

It's not my fault you don't know how to do that, yet are determined to comment on it in any event. We gave the frame number in the book, and anyone with a minimum competency in this area can order the frames, process the images and repeat the work. If you actually knew anything about how this is done, you'd know that C3-PO is so far above the threshold of doubt that we never considered the possibility that it was a product of enhancement artifacting. It's there (or it was there before they retrieved it), it looks like a head, it's the right size for a head, it looks like C3-PO's head. Period.

Why don't you spend a year or so over on Keith Laney's board? If you're lucky - and a lot nicer to them than you are to anyone over here - you might learn enough to actually make an intelligent comment once in a while.

expat said...

>>..or it was there before they retrieved it..<<

So now are you saying definitively that this object was retrieved? How do you know that? How do you reconcile this statement with your previous emphatic assertion "we never said they retrieved it, only that they could have"?

PS: For those attempting to follow this dialog who don't have the original image at their fingertips, here it is. You can play the interesting game "find the robot". Have fun.

Mike Bara said...

"It's there (or it was there before they retrieved it)..."

Only you could misinterpret a statement as clear as this.

But you didn't "misinterpret" it, did you? You're just trying to distract from the rest of the post.

Starborne said...

Thanks Mike, I look forward to the info!

marsandro said...


"Find The Robot," indeed....

I looked at the image you referenced, and...

After a few moments, I noticed that a number
of the "rock formations" had the shape of
giant fallen robots that appeared to have been
fighting each other.

Pareidolia? Perhaps.

But then---

It reminded me of a YouTube video that
showed a pan-animation of Mars Pathfinder
images of what had been perceived to be
"just rocks," but when viewed in sequence
like a video pan, you could see clearly that
it was the skeleton of what I would have to
describe as a great flying dragon type of

You could see the tail, the hip bone, the
hind legs and clawed feet, the spine, the
ribs, the shoulder blades, the front legs
and clawed front feet, and the head of
what reminded me of a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Definitely NOT "pareidolia." There was
entirely too much clear anatomical detail.

The "rock robots" were all pretty much the
"same make and model" from the looks of
it. Same size, same shape. Varying degrees
of battle damage.

And they're BIG. Once you recognize them,
you can't miss them.

Given that, I wouldn't be too surprised to
find a disembodied robot head (even if it's
difficult to find in the full frame at that
resolution), assuming, of course, that
"pareidolia" was not involved.

The ultimate solution to the problem posed by
this information is to go back.

We'll just have to check it out in person.


Mike Bara said...

For the record marsandro, there is no such thing as "pareidolia."

It not a scientific term, nor is it a recognized human behavior or accepted psychological phenomenon. It is nothing more than an officious sounding name that the so-called “skeptical community” uses to give weight to an idea that has none. It sounds like an academic term, and is designed to convince the uneducated that there is some scholarly weight behind the notion that human beings perceive patterns where there are none. It was first coined by Steven Goldstein, a well known associate of the creeps over at CSICOP (or whatever it’s called now). Carl Sagan, the patron saint of debunkery, was the first to suggest the idea that maybe we aren’t really seeing what we think we’re seeing in images of Cydonia, for instance.

In short, it’s a scam perpetrated by the likes of Dr. Phil, James Oberg and the CSICOP crowd in general. It’s nothing but a bad attempt at a Jedi mind trick.

marsandro said...

Ever so absolutely Right, Sir Mike!

I agree completely. Hear, hear!

You'll notice I didn't necessarily use the
term so much as if it were valid, as with a
certain measured contempt.

It is perfectly clear to any thinking person
that even if "pareidolia" *were* a legitimate
"clinical" term, that it clearly would have
to have limits of applicability.

Specifically, one might use such a hokey
"term" for "spotting fwuffy bunnies" in clouds,
but when you are dealing with dozens, or even
hundreds, of details, then, obviously, the notion
that it's "pareidolia" is patently ridiculous.

The only reason I even invoked the term was
to beat any critics to the punch.

Just call me, "Fight Club Marsandro." ;-)


expat said...

>>I wouldn't be too surprised to
find a disembodied robot head <<

Yeah, created by an advanced civilization thousands of years ago in imitation of a Hollywood prop that wasn't dreamed up until 1977.

Damn clever, those moonies....

...and how hilarious that Mike Bara should conclude I know nothing about photo processing, on the basis that I asked for details of how Hoagland derived THIS from that Hasselblad frame.

T'Zairis said...

Well, as long as the crowd over at Debunkville gets to create artificial jargon, we ought to get equal time...

pareidolatry-- accepting pseudo-scientific terms at face value, and/or giving a term more weight in an argument based on the fact that it sounds Latin or Greek.

pareidiot-- a person who makes up jargon or outlandish terminology to disguise the fact that they have no hard data to debate with.

pareidoglossolalia-- speech laced with excessive 'jargonese' in order to confuse an issue or divert attention from it.

pareidolianthemum-- a troublesome type of Martian crinoid fossil that might give Earth-based paleontolgists ideas if Mars rovers didn't immediately grind them to dust the minute they discover them.

pareidology-- the cultivation of across-the-board skepticism as a knee-jerk reaction and/or personal religious philosophy.

pareidologist-- a believer in/practitioner of pareidology.

pareidolapologist-- Carl Sagan, et al.

And last but not least, a riddle...

Q: When is a crinoid fossil not a crinoid fossil?

A: When it's on Mars.



Mike Bara said...

Hilarious! I gotta send that one to Hoagy!

marsandro said...

>> Yeah, created by an advanced civilization thousands of years ago in imitation of a Hollywood prop that wasn't dreamed up until 1977. <<

Or it could be the other way around.

Perhaps the "Hollywood prop" was made in
imitation of something someone had seen
in, perhaps, some image provided to them
"under the table," so to speak, by a friend
"on the inside" at NASA.

Damn clever, those scifi writers....

By the way---

Have you forgotten the Shatner post already?

Does the name Ken Johnston ring a bell?

There are already *numerous* examples
of notable science fiction writers having
written everything from novels to comic
books about things that subsequently have
been found on the Moon and Mars.

This could simply be another example of THAT.

Now---on the topic of image processing---

Unless I'm going totally senile even as I
write this, RCH is acquainted with such Mars
notables as Vince DiPietro, the co-developer
of something called "SPIT Processing."

Sharpens images right up....

Gross name, to be sure, but an excellent
method of image enhancement.

RCH probably uses something similar, if I
had to guess. (And I'm only guessing.)


P.S.: Oh, alright, you were right that
Mike blew it when he *assumed* you didn't
know anything about image processing.
But hey...maybe you don't.... :-))))


marsandro said...

Expat---a quick addendum---

>> There are already *numerous* examples
of notable science fiction writers having
written everything from novels to comic
books about things that subsequently have
been found on the Moon and Mars. <<

More accurately, "found" by independent
persons such as Hoagland and others who
are researching these anomalies.

NASA already knew the stuff was there.

How could they not? And how DARE they not,
for billions of dollars in taxpayer money?


marsandro said...

Three Cheers For T'Zairis!




T'Zairis said...

Thanks Mike and Marsandro... ;o3

Library staff tend to like word-games, puns, and so forth, so I suppose I come by it semi-naturally.

Oh, and I forgot one:

pareidolunatic-- someone who thinks that everything on the Moon is nothing more than natural planetary geology.



Adrian said...

talking about NASA....

of new start's or better landing's and new think :-) no...idle hope...old trick's again

See the phoenix pic's from the deck

and...low and them to the following

expat said...

>>But hey...maybe you don't.... :-))))<<

I'm not going to comment on my degree of expertise in photo-processing, for the very simple reason that it's completely beside the point.

marsandro said...

Aw, expat, I was just trying to be humorous.

(At your expense, of course!)

Aren't I terrible?


>> I'm not going to comment on my degree of expertise in photo-processing, for the very simple reason that it's completely beside the point. <<

Okay. So...the point is...?