Sunday, August 10, 2008

"Dr. Chandra" Says William Shatner Was Right...

Astrobiologist Chandra Wickramasinghe, who was the inspiration for a character in Arthur C. Clarke's "2010 - Odyssey Two," has stated in a recent interview that not only is there "contemporary life" on Mars, but he asserts that NASA is withholding the information for political reasons. He also defends the work of Dr. Gil Levin on the original Viking Labeled Release Experiment, which came back positive for life signs in 1976. NASA has subsequently consistently denied that Levin's results were legitimate, and has taken every opportunity in the ensuing decades to minimize his results.

All of this will of course be familiar to readers of Dark Mission, which lays out virtually the same case in its heavily footnoted 550 pages. The only significant area of disagreement between our premise and Dr. Wickramasinghe’s assessment is that he still clings to the “honest but stupid” model of NASA’s behavior, as opposed to our contention that NASA is operating on a “timed release aspirin” model dictated by the recommendations of the Brookings Report.

A full story on the interview can be found on the science and technology site.

The William Shatner Post


david nineteenpointfive said...

"Honest but smart" - he must be playing it safe, to play well with others. Or he just didn't read your book yet. Kudos to him for his asserting his conclusions, though.

david nineteenpointfive said...

Speaking of movies (2010), a good producer should make one out of Dark Mission. Most people just don't want to wrap their minds around things, unless it is spoon fed to them in the form of entertainment.

"Truth is stranger than fiction"

marsandro said...

Plenty of popcorn here....

All we need is a movie.

Nice suggestion.


Hathor -- Immune to the effects of too much
salt and butter


Sphinx said...

A movie directed by Alex Jones.


robert said...

It will take a few more than him to get "mainstreamers" for the No Adult Supervision Available agency to back off from their Kindergarten Brookings of the "Goat that Could" like King Geaorgie Jr was reading and sat as dumb as a Mars Rock for a full 7 minutes.

Seems it the "elite" that can't handle the Brutal Truths of what they've through all these years.

May they all fry in hades on movie screens everywhere.


Gort said...

The Satellite Shoot-down (21 FEB 08) story has reared its ugly head again. :)

Was the Sat Shootdown Story Legit All Along? (from Wired)

and from James Oberg

IEEE Spectrum: U.S. Satellite Shootdown: The Inside Story

I'm still skeptical!

BTW, RCH has just reposted the "Satellite Shootdown: Enterprise Analysis" article (part 1) on TEM


Anonymous said...

I'm still skeptical!

I'm skeptical about The State hiding things due to studies like The Brookings Report.

Anonymous said...

Some of the most interesting things are found in cartoons. Tonight is the world premiere of a new Go, Diego, Go movie. It is entitled 'Diego's Moonlight Rescue'. Diego has to save sea turtles that can't navigate by moonlight anymore because the moon has been destroyed by a comet. Fascinating.

marsandro said...


I wonder exactly what happens
when a "rock" hits a hollow
titanium sphere that big?

Maybe whoever is home will just fire up
the drive system and sidestep the impact....

THAT ought to go viral on YouTube....


Hathor -- Making Book On Luna Vs. The Rock


robert said...

What if the Moon fired up it's engines and hits the road out of Dodge following Niburu back on out to the outer rim of the Solar System leaving us puny humans stranded on fragile Earth as the ETI's says...frack this species and their tribal warefare...we'll come back when they've killed each other off.


T'Zairis Shirzah said...

Speaking of things in orbit, there's a new article up at TEM: 'Von Braun's 50-year-old Secret", with a part 2 to follow.

As for me, I am not skeptical regarding the real probability that the powers-that-be are hiding some very interesting things-- otherwise, why go hammer-and-tongs (a possible 70-year sentence) after Gary McKinnon?

What I am skeptical of is Brookings as a valid reason for not telling people stuff. From my point of view, it is simply an excuse to keep elitists in their comfy, one-up position and everyone else in the dirt. Last time I checked, there were no riots in the streets of either Phoenix or Stephenville, despite mile-wide 'somethings' flying slowly over both locations.

The only Brookings-lemmings who might jump into the sea will be those who find their life's work in Cosmology suddenly trumped by HD physics, and religious/political tyrants who will find their power-bases melting away when people discover there's a better way to power the planet than by burning fossil fuels and wrecking whole ecologies by damming rivers, etc. We should have been on clean, free electrogravitic power by 1910. Instead there's been nearly 100 years of foot-dragging and stonewalling by some very stupid, arrogant and short-sighted men, whose utter moral bankruptcy is finally coming to light. I intend to live long enough to make sure that history-- via our libraries-- remembers these jackasses as the absolute criminal filth they were/are.

Here's to our universal awakening from a long and horrendous nightmare...



marsandro said...


Without a doubt, you are
definitely my kinda cat,



Hathor -- Applauding The Speaker!


david nineteenpointfive said...

I agree. Entrenched economics, and entrenched bases of power = obsolete modus operandi. Isn't it true that the auto manufacturers used to buy off patents (or still do) from inventors who came up with new vehicles that used other than petroleum? Or was/is it the petroleum industry? Maybe someone here can fill us in with those details.

Starborne said...

I have heard stories from people dating to at least the 1970's about either caburaters that get 70+ miles to the gallon, or even hydrogen fuel vehicles that were running with out a problem with the exception of a lack of hydrogen filling stations. I do remember reading about the latter in a science book when I was in fourth grade. There was even a picture of it, I think it was a big old Crown Vic from either late 70's or early 80's and a shot of the huge trunk stuffed with a big yellow tank for the hydrogen. Of course the text book I read was dated 1985 when we were in school in 1994, but still it seems we had a brighter out look on the near future back then than we do today.

marsandro said...

Isn't it true that the auto
manufacturers used to buy off
patents (or still do) from
inventors who came up with new
vehicles that used other than

It is indeed.

The first car actually was an electric.

Workable hybrid electric cars were developed
soon afterward, as the physics of the day
was sufficient to reveal their many obvious

One of the better known stories of how the
automotive industry has treated inventors
pertains to the fellow who invented the
windshield wiper delay control. He could
not get any of the "Big Three" to implement
his patented control, but then they started
infringing the patent, and he had to sue
them all, which was where things were by
the time he died---of old age.

He never realized a penny from his invention.

Too bad a patent in the US is nothing more
than a ticket to a litigation. In most other
countries, patent infringement is defined
to be a crime, and can be prosecuted at the
expense of the taxpayer. (At least that is
how it was prior to the formation of the EU.)

Here, it's only a civil matter.

If you can't enforce the patent out of your
own pocket, "you're outa luck, charlie."

It reminds me of the old saw, "Well now,
just how much justice can you afford?"

(The URL must be assembled.)

Picture this applied to patent litigation.

'Nuff said.


Hathor -- Stoking the Fires of Hell for the Rich and Powerful Who Do These Things


marsandro said...

Hi David,

There's a bit more, if you're

Many years ago, I was in communication with
one Harry Grepke of Sebring, Florida. He had
appeared on the cover of Popular Science
(or maybe Popular Mechanics) with his hybrid
electric car, a Rankine-cycle powered design
with a lead-acid battery pack and a 20-bhp
DC series wound motor that gave it big-V8

One day I was calling him up for yet another
discussion, and his phone was disconnected.

Assuming he had had to change his number
due to all the calls, I called his neighbors
across the street to ask them to walk over
to Harry's and let him know I was trying to
call, and I gave them my number to give to
Harry so he could call me back.

Then came the shock.

Earlier that morning, two or three large
black limousines with dark windows had pulled
up to Harry's place, and a bunch of "MIB types"
had hopped out, two of them with large black

They went inside for half an hour or so,
then came out and left.

Harry then came outside, opened his multicar
garage, took a sledgehammer to his five EV
prototypes, called wreckers to get them, and
within the hour, a moving van arrived, Harry
and family loaded up, and left.

Harry disappeared.

(I heard from him via E-mail many years
later...all very mysterious...very hush-

GM had shortly thereafter come out with
"The Electro-Nova," again with the usual
PopSci/PopMech frontcover treatment.

Success. Celebration. Promises of more to come.

It all disappeared, never to be seen or
heard from again.

The only difference between the "Electro-
Nova" and Harry's car(s) was that Harry's
used a Rankine cycle engine (jet turbine),
and the "Electro-Nova" used a Stirling cycle
(steam) engine.

They were otherwise mostly identical.

This is a story of which I have firsthand

I called other neighbors, who confirmed what
had happened. One, an older woman living
alone, was downright paranoid about it.

Yes...these things do happen.

And they're STILL happening.


Hathor -- Getting to market by stealth


P.S.: The only reason we see any electric cars
on the road today is because California had
the prescience to MANDATE them.

Not that I would suggest using California
for a model for much of anything else in
the way of politics, mind you....


P.P.S.: And William Shatner was indeed

(Just keeping it in the thread.)


marsandro said...

Of course the text book I read was dated 1985 when we were in school
in 1994, but still it seems we had
a brighter out look on the near
future back then than we do today.

Quite so, starborne. In fact, there is an old
saying: "The future isn't what it used to be."

"The future" in the fifties was "Us versus
Them from Out There." (Just look at the
scifi movies of the period.)

"The future" in the sixties was all about our
transition to the world of The Jetsons.

"The future" in the seventies was focused on
the urgent need for technological solutions to
the world's problems.

"The future" in the eighties was, well, not
what it used to be to most people. "Max
Headroom" led the way with its dark visions.

By the nineties, "the future" had become a sort of
hodge-podge of guarded optimism as to Man's own
survival versus The Apocalypse. "Mad Max" had
entered the American lexicon alongside "Max
Headroom" and "The New Age."

Today, people don't seem to think that there IS
a future.

Truth is, the future is what you make it.

No accounting for time travel, of course....


Hathor -- The ULTIMATE Futurist!


david nineteenpointfive said...

Good insights - thanks. I've figured that what is in the briefcases for such inventors is a huge wad of cash to quit doing it, and a free house somewhere else.

Kind of backfired for GM - they shut down their entire plant in Janesville, WI because it only made caravans, etc. Didn't see the Prius comin.

marsandro said...

Kind of backfired for GM -
they shut down their entire
plant in Janesville, Wisconsin
because it only made caravans,
etc. Didn't see the Prius comin.

And that is the nature of competition,
especially in a global market environment,
where the "Powers That Be" don't necessarily
exert the same level of control overseas
that they do here.

And the truth be known, the so-called
"Powers That Be" are not a single, cohesive
group. They are several, and locked in a
great global struggle.

So now---at the risk of sounding a bit like
Edgar Mitchell---let's narrow the focus. :-)

Considering where EV technology has managed
to go in recent years, one wonders why
Detroit has not jumped on the EV bandwagon
wholeheartedly, *unless* they are in fact
in bed with the Oil Companies. Just look
at this video to see what I mean:

That's Mystery #1.

And then there is wage/price manipulation,
and currency manipulation:

BSEE starting salary:
1970 - $ 28,500
2008 - $ 42,000 (real; $53K listed)

Minimum Wage (no tips)
1970 - $ 1.45 / hr.
2008 - $ 6.55 / hr. (up from $5.85)
2009 - $ 7.25 / hr. (projected)

Minimum Wage (tips)
1970 - $ 1.30 / hr.
2008 - $ 2.10 / hr.
(Note: Most people don't tip anymore.)

1970 - $ _3,450 (showroom sticker)
2008 - $ 45,450 (showroom sticker)

USED Ford LTD (1 year old):
1970 - $ 1,000 (trade-in)
2008 - $ 3,500 (trade-in)

Barrel of Oil:
1965 - $ __3.00 / bbl
2005 - $ _88.00 / bbl
2008 - $ 114.00 / bbl
Current Spot - $119.50 +/-

For even more info on oil prices versus time,
see this link:

As for the US Dollar, a wiki chart shows the
US dollar at barely two cents on the 1776
dollar. Moreover, the CPI has been in a
steep decline since the 1930s (The Great
Depression era).

Real Employment at livable wages is widely
known to be at a considerable low in the
US at this time.

These facts and figures spell *DOOM* for
the automotive industry unless something
changes, and fast. (Just overlay all the
curves, to see the complete picture.)

Surely they DO see all this coming?

That's Mystery #2.

Now---assuming this is not all the product
of incredible stupidity in American and
world business leadership, one has to
wonder, what IS the point?

The name of the game is CONTROL. *That* is
the motivation of the seeming illogic behind
such things as the reticence of the auto
industry to "move into the future" which to
the rest of us seems so obviously the thing
to do.

It's a matter of oil. Who has it. Who
wants it. Who decides who gets it, and
what it's going to cost the buyers.

Now THAT is CONTROL. Moreover---

That CONTROL includes the total control of
information, as in the topics of this blog
vis-a-vis NASA. That's merely one more
facet of a HUGE brilliant-cut jewel known
as The New World Order.

And oil is the ultimate control key.

Obviously, keeping Americans and all those
people of the industrialized world dependent
on oil is a major factor in the control game.

Through interlocking directorships, etc.,
compliance---and control---is maintained.

Hence, the auto industry continues to
avoid EV technology like plague. And the
Harry Grepkes of the world get bought off
---or else.

When one begins to see all the tie-ins in
the Great Global Struggle, it can be a bit

We're talking a LARGE game board, with a
REALLY LARGE game in progress....

And to think we're all just the pawns to
these people....



Hathor - Refereeing the Game


marsandro said...

Astrobiologist Chandra
...has stated in a recent interview
that not only is there "contemporary
life" on Mars, but he asserts that
NASA is withholding the information
for political reasons.

And the definition of politics is:
"The art of deciding who gets what."

Sounds like control to me!


Hathor - Keeping things on-thread


Gort said...

Just wanted to mention RCH will be the main guest on C2C tonite (Thursday, Aug. 21) to talk about "anti-gravity" and unraveling the 50 year old secret of Von Braun.

And for T'zairis, here is a link to a picture of a cool cat with four ears!

"...the better to hear you with, my dear!"


Mike Bara said...

Yeah, I love it when Hoagy goes on the air and gives away the new stuff for the next book for free... :)

Oh well. It is truly amazing stuff. You guys' heads will explode.

david nineteenpointfive said...

Looking forward to some good, head-explodin' goodness. In that spirit and in the context of the comments here, keep it up Mike and Hoagie.

As the rat said in the movie, Ratatouie, "just because someone can, doesn't mean they should". Just because gov't and/or gatekeeping "elites" can distract most people from what's really out there (e.g. Mars and the moon), doesn't mean they/it should ... anymore.

Linking NASA/JPL so clearly with Nazis, Astrological orientations, etc. with such easily verified authority just created instant credibility for Dark Mission's premises and thoeries. Visa-versa for the traditional smoke & mirrors crowd.

SactoMan01 said...

By the way, I can see within 20 years an all-electric dragster capable of keeping up with a nitromethane-fueled Top Fuel dragster right to the finish line. The reason is simple: electric motors have HUGE torque when it starts turning, hence the reason why Harry Grepke's car had the torque of a V-8 engine. One problem electric car designers have to deal with is how to control all that huge torque down low to prevent damage to the tires!

As for that 1960 Brookings Institution report sent to NASA, people forget the time period it was written--the height of the Cold War. As such, much of its conclusions were not very sanguine. But fortunately, we've gotten over the report's conclusions, and philosophically and theologically humans are actually looking forward to the day we have proof that life did evolve on some place besides Earth (whether it's soil sampling on Mars, more advanced missions to the outer planets of our Solar System, more advanced telescopes that finally see Earth-like planets around nearby stars with atmospheres that have nitrogen, oxygen, water vapor, methane, etc., or even the Allen Telescope Array finally discovering a true artificial radio signal from a nearby star).

marsandro said...

Hi Gort and T'Zairis,

Here's a complete link
to the four-eared kitty:

Just add the "http://"....

Sorry Gort, your link got truncated!


Hathor - The ULTIMATE Webmistress


marsandro said...

Oh well. It is truly amazing
stuff. You guys' heads will

I'm taking something for the increased
suffonic pressure already....


Hathor - Playing Nurse To Guess Who


P.S.: Hellooooooooo, nurse!


marsandro said...

Linking NASA/JPL so clearly
with Nazis, Astrological
orientations, etc., with such
easily verified authority just
created instant credibility for
Dark Mission's premises and
theories. Vice-versa for the
traditional smoke & mirrors crowd.


And may the trend continue!


Hathor - Pulling for Hoagie and Friends!


marsandro said...

Hi sanctoman01,

I think we can start selling
tickets to the first World Cup
EV Versus The Fueler Drag Race
right now, if Stoern will just
get on board.

And you're right about electric motors, at
least the DC series- or compound-wound
types: they have maximum torque at zero
RPM, just like a reciprocating steam engine.
But a steam engine can't manage the high
revs in most cases, and the EV can.

As for Brookings, let's face it: the report
is obsolete. It should be scrapped. These
are different times. People are more
sophisticated in that sense.

It won't be long before we see cute, cuddly
little Rodabears on Animal Planet. Give it
a few years....

And as long as someone remembers to check
for longitunidal radio waves, we may indeed
find that alien signal. (These waves will have
no transverse component, hence they are
undetectable to a standard radio receiver.)

Tesla to the rescue....


Hathor - In the thick of things


T'Zairis Shirzah said...


Loved the 4-eared kitty!

Also listened to RCH on C2C last night, and read Part 2 of the Von Braun paper this evening. I am waiting for Part 3 and a possible do-it-yourself kit for garage-based HD effects.

Mike, I wouldn't worry about RCH 'giving away' stuff from future books. Even if the entire text of Dark Mission was published online, I would still want a hard copy of the book to refer to when I'm not in front of the computer screen. Besides which, nazi cabals inside NASA and HD physics are a riveting read, as well as an important one.

Also, are torsion-field effects on living organisms going to be discussed in one of the future DM books? I'm interested because of what I've heard about the energies around the Bell sometimes helpfully augmenting and sometimes killing people, animals and plants, which brings to mind Reich's 'orgone' and 'deadly orgone', as well as the dual enhancing/suppressing effects seen in germination tests using seeds from crop formations.

In addition, as a weird aside from a shamanism/altered consciousness angle-- a lot of shamanic dance involves spinning rapidly. I am thinking here of Sufi dervishes and Korean shamanesses, who both go in for long bouts of spinning during their rituals. If spinning inducts energy from another dimension, it just makes me wonder what the energy effects might be on human physiology and consciousness.

All the time I was reading about De Palma's spinning spheres, I kept flashing on films I've seen of Korean shamanesses playing large stationary drums by spinning in front of them and striking the drum-heads as they rapidly turn. It makes me wonder if a spinning shaman could actually download information (as in the shamanic/HD physics idea that 'everything really is connected to everything else') simply by being a consciousness-in-rotation...



Gort said...

That's not my four-eared cat!
That "Lily" is a pussycat.

"Yoda" is far more the cat's meow.


My link is all there if you maximize your window.

Sit down, Hathor



marsandro said...

Hi Gort,

Let's see...OH! There!

I still had to assemble it in Notepad.

I was on a public computer defaulted to
640x480. Duh.

Here's another link showing both kitties:

They're just made for each other! :-)


Hathor -- Playing the matchmaker


P.S.: "Sit down Hathor"?!?!?!?!

Would you risk the appearance of SEKHMET?!!

A Thousand Names Of Sekhmet


Shamus said...

Hey Mike I can understand why you dont what Richard to give away the new stuff of Dark Mission 2. I just wanted to offer this thought that even if Richard talked for hours it would not begin to cover the "tip of the ice berg" stuff he shared. Its the great insight that Dark Mission connects things, that would make us have to buy and read your work anyways Mike. I am curious what you would say the goal of Dark mission... i am mean what would make it a total touch down and victory in yout eyes?

Mike Bara said...

Well yeah, there's always more detail to add, that's for sure. But sometimes I just think it's better to wait when Richard wants to go ahead.

He finds it, he does what he wants with it.

The goal of Dark Mission is to get the NFL, I mean NASA to admit that Super Bowl XL was fixed, Uh, I mean get NASA to admit that they have lied to us for more than five decades about a whole variety of things.

The goal, seriously? To wake people up. To get people to ask questions. Not the idiotic Moon Hoax and "9/11 was inside job nonsense," but questions about the real stuff that NASA has been hiding for so long. I'm not naiive enough to think we'll ever get justice, but we might someday get then truth.