JimO said...
Where's his PhD diploma?Where's his certificate of graduation from flight school?Where's his certification of Lunar Receiving Laboratory work in anything related to photo or image management?Doesn't this blizzard of secondary, peripheral paperwork look like a snow job to anybody else?
November 20, 2007 8:14 AM
Where's his PhD diploma?Where's his certificate of graduation from flight school?Where's his certification of Lunar Receiving Laboratory work in anything related to photo or image management?Doesn't this blizzard of secondary, peripheral paperwork look like a snow job to anybody else?
November 20, 2007 8:14 AM
The Fool said...
What about "Dr" Johnston's fake degrees? Why has THAT not been addressed, if it is important to verify "credentials"?
November 20, 2007 8:53 AM
Robert Gonzales Jr. said...
Ken Johnson claims to have two advanced degrees from Reformed Baptist Seminary. I am the academic dean of Reformed Baptist Seminary (www.rbseminary.org), and I can assure the readers that he did not obtain any degrees from our seminary. Either there is another institution that goes by that name (of which I am unaware) or Ken Johnson is giving false information.
November 15, 2007 8:22 AM
Ken Johnson claims to have two advanced degrees from Reformed Baptist Seminary. I am the academic dean of Reformed Baptist Seminary (www.rbseminary.org), and I can assure the readers that he did not obtain any degrees from our seminary. Either there is another institution that goes by that name (of which I am unaware) or Ken Johnson is giving false information.
November 15, 2007 8:22 AM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Enjoy your turkey (or crow, as the case may be).
This final posting now marks the close of this Spanish Inquisition against the credentials and credibility of Dr. Ken Johnston.
-- Mike
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Thanks -- why didn't you post this originally, were you planning an ambush (grin) -- or still searching for it?
This ought to be easy enough to verify, after which, the "Dr." title will stand as verified.
Then, faced with verified evidence, we can agree on the facts and modify or abandon earlier judgments -- which makes "my side" different than "your side"... if you still defiantly and delusionally insist I "was a colleague of Johnston's during the Apollo program."
Can we also see his flight school graduation certificate?
No Jim, he may have it, but I'm through asking him for this stuff just so you can try and nitpick some imaginary discrepancy in the record and distract people from what he truthfully saw and did at NASA.
Do you honestly think that NASA hired people as Lunar Module training pilots who don't know how to fly? Of course you don't. You never did.
As I stated before, we're through with this subject and moving on to other things. Feel free to write or report about this for NBC News though.
Have a nice Thanksgiving everybody.
I totally understand not wanting to keep nagging Mr. Johnston for these materials. But I do think these things and anything else he may have to confirm his credentials would be a fantastic addition to any future editions of Dark Mission, and in turn, increase the credentials of the book itself. Just food for thought.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition !!
RCH, Mike Bara, Jim Oberg and Phil Plait have NO INTEREST in looking for the Moon Rovers that would be seen there by NON-NASA missions mapping the Moon right now !!
Strange, obviously all these credentials and records exist, so if this guy(jimo) was worth anything he would simply 'source' and actually do the work of verifying those records at their respective archives(institutions).
What escapes me is his 'm.o.' here?
I think perhaps the only place his favored word "delusionally" should appear is in a description of his angle.
Research in an open Blog? Not very professional to say the least. I encourage Mike and co. to stop feeding a Troll.
Oddly by his little game here of getting you guys to fetch and deliver for his lazy ass, it has 'greatly' raised my respect and admiration for Ken Johnston!
My question is: When the fuller disclosure rolls out in these near coming years, much of it already underway, will we look back and call for a reckoning with regards to the shmucks who discredited and destroyed good men's characters and careers?
Rarely does anyone look back and call these 'players' and deceivers to account for the disinfo and sabotage. What would they say? 'They were doing their jobs?' Bull! Who were they serving? certainly not their country or truth and integrity
Lost in the attempt to obfuscate by focusing on the personalities involved are questions that I want JimO or someone to answer..."Is it true that Ken was told to destroy original material from the taxpayer funded moon missions?" And, "upon whose authority was that done?" And. "Why?", "Why?", "Why? would anyone do that". I have less interest in the messengers here or even the method and interpretations...which I can make a decision on myself after presentation, I want an answer that is forthcomming, complete and sensible.
Dry dust in the Earth's
deserts does not leave
crisp impressions, so why
does lunar dust?
I would also like to say that, as a big fan of the space program, I find it really interesting and fun to see these medals and certificates. I've never seen them before. So I'm interested in them, not in a Spanish Inquisition sort of way, but instead from a historical point of view. I find them absolutely fascinating. I would genuinely like to see more of them.
Also please thank Mr. Johnston for letting you guys show this stuff. I just think it's really cool to look at.
You need to update the link to the NYT book list. Dark Mission is now #24. It's actually dishonest to write that the book is in the best-seller list, since it was never in the top 20.
Dry dust in the Earth's
deserts does not leave
crisp impressions, so why
does lunar dust?
Expat,
Dark Mission is on the Expanded Best Seller List. We have provided links to the actual list all along. Any dishonesty is in your head.
Jim, maybe you could help Unit with his question about the dust? Make yourself useful for a change!
Mike: "Jim, maybe you could help Unit with his question about the dust? Make yourself useful for a change!"
I posted a detailed, sourced response to Rich_Riggs question about Johnston's authority to destroy original Apollo photography, quoting Jeff Warner, the guy he replaced in the LRL photo job (as cited in one of the posted credentials). Did that message get lost -- shall I post it again? -- or was it just censored for content? I don't see the connection of lunar dust imprints to any advovaced interpretation in your book -- tell me why it's important to you..
Are you still working on a response -- and retraction -- to your silly claim that I was a colleague of Johnston's in Houston during the Apollo program, and thus knew that all his claimed credentials were accurate, and hence acted unethically in seeking third-party confirmation? How could I have been a colleague of Johnston's if I wasn't even there?
Dear Mike and the TEM family, and especially Mr. Ken Johnston,
Like Iontruo2 said...it is time to stop doing Mr. Oberg's homework and research for him. After all, many of these documents are copied in government archives. As Mr.Oberg has only shown how to do NBS MEAINSTREAM MEDIA ( no...I did NOT misspell the previous 2 words..it is a 'new' word slant benefiting the behavior of "mainstream" gone bad ) "research" is to go to some Swedish UFO website for "verification" and "authenticity", and ONLY that 'printable ONE source'; likely doesn't KNOW how to search any government arcives properly. I am sure Mr. Stanton Freidman would be happy to show Mr. Oberg how to PROPERLY search for "documentation" about the veracity of someone's claims, for a fee of course :D.
No Mr. Oberg you are outed for the little "sniper" that you are for NBC MEANSTREAM MEDIA.
I wonder who in NBC NEWS or even CORPORATE gave you a call and said to pounce on this book and man with such vehemance? You certainly did a bad job of it and the person who paid you the money should be very dissapointed you've likely already cashed the check and he can't stop payment on it, unless it was an under the table deal in cash. Who knows nowadays when Presidents' lie and bumbling beaurocrats toe the pathetic lie?
The FACT that this is picking up GREAT attention in RUSSIA...I think should be of great CURIOSITY to EVERYONE. So maybe it wasn't someone from NASA that called you Mr. Oberg? Was it the Dark Lord Cheney himself?
Who knows what goes on behind closed doors?
We are on the WRONG "Golden Path"...
It is PAST the timeline for the BRUTAL TRUTH....
NBC itself, as an "official" representative should respond to this blog I think and address Mr. Oberg's actions on their befalf, ostensibly according to Mr. Oberg.
Bob...:D
http://commonsensecentral.net/
Dust problem would be resovled if we could see all the Apollo leftover junk.
Hold not thy breath
As long as the Checks clear, for both groups, nobody says nuttin'
I'd like to inform Bob and others that I did indeed have responses to his comments, that have not yet been posted here.
Rich Riggs said...
Lost in the attempt to obfuscate by focusing on the personalities involved are questions that I want JimO or someone to answer..."Is it true that Ken was told to destroy original material from the taxpayer funded moon missions?" And, "upon whose authority was that done?" And. "Why?", "Why?", "Why? would anyone do that". I have less interest in the messengers here or even the method and interpretations...which I can make a decision on myself after presentation, I want an answer that is forthcomming, complete and sensible.
November 22, 2007 6:49 AM
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rhw:
Mr. Riggs,
Very good question and I too would like some BRUTAL TRUTH answers to those. But we are unlikely to get them from any agnecy in this adminstration...especially NASA when it comes to 'controversial subjects'. One could also ask who told Gerry Soffen to go into the Press room at JPL in 1976 with the 'infamous' "HEAD" photo of the Ares Face in Cydonia and proclaim “Isn’t it peculiar what tricks of lighting and shadows can do. When we took a picture a few hours later it all went away; it was just a trick, just the way the light fell on it.” NO ONE in the ENTIRE press corps of slightly more than a thousand "Mainstream media" thought to ask Mr. Soffen to SHOW US that second picture. Why didn't he bring it out and SHOW the difference?
Reason...because there was NO SECOND picture a few hours later. Toby Owen's find of the "Head" remained the only image of it until more than a month later. Mr. Soffen blatently LIED to the WHOLE PLANET that day. Why? Who gave him his orders? The Cydonia region was in night a few hours after Mr. Owen's "Head" was found and thus could NOT have been physically imaged by the VIS camera. Yet no one said a peep to the 'JPL beaurocrats' in charge. Which is why I question "Mainstream Media's" agenda as well as the Government's...ANY government beaurocrat or politician.
I have learned, especially with THIS administration, that their words and actions do not match.
I remain committed to the following:
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgment of character.
It REALLY is that simple.
Bob... :D
http://commonsensecentral.net/
To biological_unit:
Earth sand, geometrically, is fairly homogeneous. Hence, it will tend to slide when piled (by whatever mechanism causes the piling), as the predominant shape is cubic.
Moondust (or "sand") is highly heterogeneous by comparison, and contains glass sphereoids (about 50
percent or so) which, together with some of the other irregulars present, will tend to retain shape after piling (such as by passage of something making tracks).
You can do this with most any sort of aggregate containing a fair amount of irregularly shaped rocks,
such as that used on railroad tracks. Even this rough aggregate will tend to show a limited ability to retain impressions (from something big enough).
I assume "wind" is not an issue
for you. ("Lunar sand dunes?")
Tracking the tractors, are we? :-)
Robert Gonzales Jr. said...
Ken Johnson claims to have two advanced degrees from Reformed Baptist Seminary. I am the academic dean of Reformed Baptist Seminary (www.rbseminary.org), and I can assure the readers that he did not obtain any degrees from our seminary. Either there is another institution that goes by that name (of which I am unaware) or Ken Johnson is giving false information.
November 15, 2007 8:22 AM
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rhw:
Mr. Gonzales, Jr. as you are well aware "Academic Dean" is futher down the pecking ladder than the President of the University, and of course the Board of Directors. Also as an Academic Dean you oversee employees who, well may just not like you, and gave you false information is you asked a subordinate to check on Mr. Johnston's PHD rather than CHECK YOURSELF.
My "Academic Dean" was even unaware that the College President had given me WRITTEN permission to file my FOIA against NASA...so how much "in-the loop" was he? Maybe you are in the same boat.
With the above dimploma your Thanksgiving certainly has some leftover CROW on the table.
Yet I have NOT seen you come in here and APOLOGIZE to Mr. Johnston's for YOUR false accusations, neither has Mr. Oberg appologized for HIS false statements and allegations....which are NOW proven to be wrong with the BRUTAL TRUTH.
We already know Mr. Oberg IS a "NBC Correspondent" when he wrote to Ms. Ferrai...perhaps you could provide documentation you ARE an "Academic Dean" at the same University you say you are from...or some internet troll or disinformation puppet. After all you CLAIM to not know something that should be in YOUR records.
It's either a troll or you asked someone to check FOR you...kinda linke sitting on your backside and giving orders rather than doing some REAL ACADEMIC work of your own? Sorta like my "Academic Dean" was at CCC...an empty head full of ego...sadly he is now dead of cancer at about age 45 I think.
One should ALWAYS think about what you might say when you find yourself outside your body...yet still knowing you are you...you become into the "In-Between:...where questions will be asked, and no lies accepted...BRUTAL TRUTHS TIME:
Who are You...What do you want
When your heart is stopped...and breath is caught
Why are you here...Where have you been
Where are you going...What will happen then.
BRUTAL TRUTHS Mr. Gonzales, Jr. and Mr. Oberg.
Accept you were wrong and do the HONORABLE thing.
Publicly Appologize FIRST for ALL past accusations...and make sure we believe you ARE truly sorry and not crying fake tears.
Bob...:D
re: footprints in lunar regolith
Volcanic ash behaves exactly the same. I assume portland cement would, too, though I've never tried.
Robert - Good points about how the FOM came to be.
Check this screen capture from TEM:
It(Push Me Hard!) was at the top of the web page and the bottom.
RCH, what's up with this Soviet connection.
Who is doing the PUSHING?!?
These things need to be understood before looking at ANY United States agency, including NASA:
* TONA (The Original 13th Amendment)
* The 14th Amendment (Not legally ratified)
* The Federal Reserve Act
* The 16th Amendment (Not legally ratified)
* The US Bankruptcy and Bank Holiday of 1933
* Erie vs Thompkins 1938
* The implementation of the UCC
Once these items can be comprehended, EVERYTHING WILL MAKE SENSE!
Robert said,
"Publicly Appologize FIRST for ALL past accusations...and make sure we believe you ARE truly sorry and not crying fake tears."
A public admission that they were wrong, whether they feel sorry or not, would serve the purpose. The lack of such admission would cast a shadow of doubt on anything they say, and suspicion of their motives from this point on...even moreso than the admission itself would.
This latest fiasco, the smear campaign, reminds me of the goings on described in Dark Mission: one lie/deception after another, after another, after another...all of which are easily uncovered. Doesn't the fact that these deceptions are so easily uncovered indicate that they actually want them to be uncovered? These people have to be intelligent to accomplish what they have in their lives; to be in the position they are now in. They absolutely cannot be the stupid, blundering oafs that they appear to be.
gene said...
(snip)
They absolutely cannot be the stupid, blundering oafs that they appear to be.
November 27, 2007 5:02 PM
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rhw:
Why not?
Mr. Oberg passed himself as a "NBC News space consultant" as if THIS was a NBC sponsored and sanctioned action. In other words...someone from NBC gave him a "job" to do...and he did it...SMEAR...this thing as fast and as ugly as possible.
However...it seems...Mr. Oberg may have overstepped his authority or those who gave the order are backing off. Since I have heard from NBC, it seems only fair for NBC to share with us HERE what Mr. Oberg's role was when he signed that attack as coming from NBC Meanstream Media. It would be appropriate I think for Mr. Alan Boyle or his boss to come here and repeat what he sent me in HIS email to me...for the record.
I have also instigated an inquiry with the FCC and am awaiting an inquiry into that realm as well.
So, the question becomes, can they REALLY "be the stupid, blundering oafs that they appear to be"...you bet your sweat last bottom dollar they can when they are in Mad-Dog Meantream Media mode. Just look at what happened to Valerie Plame and Jow Wilson...and this was Dark Lord Cheney himself...surely HE is much more sophisticated and smarter than these two "gentlemen" are to get to HIS powerful position..no?
And by YOUR reasoning...the Dark Lord Cheney just really 'wanted to get caught'.
Please call me when you get back to the REAL BRUTAL TRUTHS world.
You are certainly living in naive boxed-in view of the world.
Gene this reply was NOT intentionally meant to be mean...but TRUTHFULL
Bob...:D
Gene: I get your questioning thought.
I too have wondered how they can 'appear' to be so mediocre and seemingly stupid(NASA). Including these dis-info lads.
The scientific levels they are working at are so layered and complicated it brings me to wonder how their 'Management and organization' could be so full of apparent idiots whose ego/minds are untethered and undisciplined.
I personally don't think they are quite that. I think it is still the game of smoke and mirrors. In that thought I challenged previously that 'there either is disclosure or there isn't'. NO kinda sorta half way.
Enough 'has' been seen to show that there is a program unfolding to reveal and inform the general majority public of the bigger picture including the Truth of the fairly recent past with regards to the earlier Space Program. So my point is they either go forward straight up or they don't.
It appears to me that there is dithering still between those there that want to continue to obfuscate and conceal and those that are actioning the real Disclosure Program as mandated.
Common, the secrecy guys can find new work. ;) There is lots of other dis-info projects to send them off to that will keep their little club 'employed' for a while longer.
I personally feel All of this is part of the 'Program' including the book here. I don't think Mr. Hoagland, with all due respect, is quite the rebel exposer that he might appear to be. I sometime wonder why the NASA gang is even playing the cards this way. Presenting the story with this element of intrigue and overtones of deviousness and Manchurian Candidate like flavours. Perhaps that what gives momentum to 'a story' to draw attention, but I think at this point so far after the facts of the sixties and Apollo (gosh pushing towards 40+years), they need now to just be frank and disclose with straight maturity.
What? (ala Brookings Report) Are they really so afraid of the Religious Zealots having a melt down and causing wide spread trouble? Guess what they already are.
So I agree with your question about how they couldn't quite be so inept as we are being shown.
I just criticize their strategy which I think may be 'more likely' to cause a societal judgmental backlash.
Message submitted Nov 28 // 11:52 AM CST
Let's review:
Thread started October 6, 2007 – Ken Johnston Answers Commentators Questions
Paragraph 3 line 6-7: “I hold …two advanced degrees from the Reformed Baptist Seminary, one in Theology and the other PhD in Metaphysics.”
Step one: Locate the “Reformed Baptist Seminary”, and ask if they grant PhDs at all. Academic dean Dr. Robert Gonzales says they do not (he does not even have to look of “Johnston” on a list, since the degree claimed by Johnston has never been granted by his school).
Step two: Bara posts “Stupid Blog Post - #2” on November 21, 8:23 AM, presenting a ‘deploma’ (right click the image, select ‘properties’, and read the file name – ‘deploma’) from a school NOW called “The Reform Baptist Theological Seminary” in Denver, Colorado.
Document image is here: http://bp1.blogger.com/_eaaXUONwoEA/R0RdX-3kHiI/AAAAAAAAAFs/IkbgSXOsH7g/s1600/Ken%27s_Doctor_of_Metaphysics_Deploma.jpg
Deduction: Johnston merely misremembered or misspoke when he claimed the school was called the “ReformED Baptist Seminary”. In any case, Bara’s posting is tacit admission that Johnston’s original claim of the school’s name was untrue. Easy enough to fix – and no big deal, it’s why VERIFICATION is always a sensible, prudent policy.
Step three: some posters launch vicious verbal assault on Dr. Gonzales for being lazy, incompetent, arrogant, and a liar to boot.
Deduction: Dr. Gonzales’s statement was actually totally accurate, as Bara conceded in posting the corrected name of the school – another school entirely.
Step four: Having caught one error (of undetermined origin) in Johnston’s claimed credentials, just to be cautious, check out the nature of the PhD program at the institution called “The Reform Baptist Theological Seminary” in Denver, Colorado. I encourage anybody interested in the dispute to perform this step independently. The first step, I suggest, is to find it. Go and try.
Step five: Remove head from ass and stop trying to assasinate the character of a man you know full well has done everything he's claimed on his resume.
My contention is, if you don't understand the "rules" of our "governmental" system and its development, you are groping in the dark as to why things are happening they way that they are. The "agencies" or "agents" have NO power. Think Capstone. It is NOT a government for the people, by the people. The Capstone dictates EVERYTHING.
Get a grip, on the Capstone. It's on the dollar bill for a reason!
Your link that is labeled "the current list" is now two weeks out of date. It should be pointing to this list, with the book now at #31.
Hi Mike,
How's moon7.htm coming along? I'm
on pins and needles here.... :-)
Strange Object found on Mars
http://eng.cnews.ru/news/top/indexEn.shtml?2007/11/22/276238
Moon Photos from 1960s Get Digital Facelifts
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/071204-lunar-images.html
People tire quickly of being told to:
Stay Tuned :(
Google Lunar X Prize's race to the moon has begun
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9830063-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
Bob, re your jeremiad against an honest academic, Robert Gonzalez, where you demand...
"Publicly Appologize FIRST for ALL past accusations...and make sure we believe you ARE truly sorry and not crying fake tears."
When will you take the trouble to READ the original statement by Johnston, on this blog, that he got his degree from the 'Reformed Baptist Seminary', which is the name of Dr. Gonzalez's instition, and then compare that to the name of the institution on the "Doctor of Metaphysics" certificate that was later posted. They are different.
You will see that Johnston misspoke originally, that Bara posted a correction, and that Gonzales told the absolute truth, and that you made a fool of yourself, and owe Gonzalez an apology.
In my humble opinion, of course...
Is Robert ever going to admit he slimed Dr. Gonzalez by mistake?
If he doesn't, will the blogmaster at least issue a 'finding' to that effect?
Mr. Oberg - Didn't you mean to say that "Richard" and not "Robert" slimed Dr. Gonzales? Seems kind of strange for Dr. Gonzales to slime himself doesn't it? See how easy it is to get one word crossed with another? Heck, "Reformed" was closer to "Reform" than your slip was. It happens...get over it.
"Kevo said... Mr. Oberg - Didn't you mean to say that "Richard" and not "Robert" slimed Dr. Gonzales?"
I was referring to Robert's post on this thread dated
November 26, 2007 5:14 PM
which attacked Gonzales for being ignorant, arrogant, stupid, and cruel to puppies (well, almost all these things), or so i thought.
I didn't see any sliming of Gonzales from Richard (Hoagland, right?), but wouldn't be surprised there -- he and Bara first went public with their sliming of me, and thus set off this whole on-the-record controversy.
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